Oh No! Not another Baldur's Gate thread!

[DrSpike]

Sorry were you talking about KOTOR there? I don't think the scoundrel/consular pulls ahead in the late stage, though the gap is certainly closed.

With a soldier you get some force powers, and force immunity + 3rd level speed is only 5 in total. You don't need any more to stop consular characters pwning you. In KOTOR force armour doesn't stop the whopping 8 attacks that a guardian with level 3 speed and maxed out flurry has. The other attacking spells perform ok against a force immune guardian (the immuntity is not complete), but I wouldn't say the advantage, if any, lies with the consular.

[Jamski]

Well, I don't follow the KOTOR forums as closely as I used to, but all the "best builds" used to be Consular based. Don't ask me for the details, but pop over to Bioware forums. I never really got the whole Star Wars thing.

-Jam

[Hueij]

Eh guys... Maybe start threads on NWN and KOTOR? I wanna read about BG1

[DrSpike]

Yeah sorry for the threadjack, but this crowd were the ones I wanted to respond.

Threadjack over.

[Traianvs]

who's that person in your avatar hueij? And the freak in Jaski's avatar?

Btw I just finished Jaheira's quest. She's no longer cursed. Too bad I know most stuff anyway from last time I played the game so that kinda spoils it
Ployer and his wizards are such pussies btw. I didn't take 1 HP of damage, and I was doing the battle drunk! Remind me, can I do anything with Jaheira's leftover hair?

[Jamski]

Not one single thing.

I keep it though, as I keep all the "quest trophies" - people's heads, hands, arms, eyes, scales, corpses etc...

And the freak in Ja[m]ski's avatar?

Assuming you're misspelling my name, I'll tell you. Its Gustav Mahler 1860-1911, Austrian composer and conductor.

-Jam

[duke o' york]

Damn! I wanted to answer that question.

Doc, I chose a ranger for my first game of BG1 (still playing), just because I have fond memories of playing as a ranger with pencil and paper AD&D, although that was many years ago (1st edition?). I like the racial enemy idea, but that makes no bloody difference at higher levels because it won't protect you from poisoning from those creatures (I'd have racial enemy: Mafia otherwise ), and you can do as much damage with a decent sword as you would with the small bonus. I've just got Cure Light Wounds, which is good to have, but I'm not going to use her as a healer unless absolutely necessary.
I wish I'd gone for a Lawful Good fighter though. I'm enjoying it, but a fighter can get up to 5 stars in weapon proficiency in any weapon, and a ranger can only get 2. More stars, more damage. Look at the tables in the back of the manual to see how much gold you can save when buying things with a high reputation, and you'll understand why it is important to play your first game as lawful good. After that, go wild with your roleplaying and choose more appropriate alignments for whichever characters you want to use, but first time through you need to learn the system.

[Jamski]

Duke, there's some much better 1st level spells for a Ranger to take than a crappy CLW piece of poo. Entangle, Sanctuary, Bless and Remove Fear you might actually use

Tip - cast Entangle with the Ranger while 2 Wizards cast Web and Grease simultaniously on the same spot. Anyone in the area will have to pass 3 saves each round in order to be allowed to crawl at half speed. Most nice

Then get the old bows out, of course

-Jam

[duke o' york]

I was just given CLW. I didn't choose it. I got it just before I last saved, so I haven't investigated anything yet. Maybe I've got a choice....
I'll never use charm animal though. I'd love a bear tank, as described earlier, but I doubt I'd ever use it. Would I still get exp for it dying when I was using it as a tank? I'd love to charm a wolf and have it walk back to the fur shop with me.

[Jamski]

Oh... you don't mean as a Ranger spell then, but as an innate ability. Of course!!!!!

Yes. If you're Lawful Good your character develops a series of innate "healing and helping" abilites at the rate of one each time you rest for the first time in a new chapter. You got a dream sequence, yes, and then it appeared on the "star" button to the right hand side of the toolbar?

If you're Chaotic Evil you get much more evil abilities, and anywhere inbetween you get a mix.

I was wondering how you got a Ranger to level 8 already.

-Jam

[DrSpike]

Maybe he discovered some things you didn't know about.

[Jamski]

Like how to hack the game you mean

-Jam

[duke o' york]

Yeah - n00b!

Yes, I had a quick snooze outside Nashkel in order to make sure I had enough spells to survive the inevitable assassination attempt.
Btw Doc, you have people trying to assassinate you whenever you turn a corner. Some of them are laughable, but some are decent fights.

[Jamski]

You did memorise Remove Fear, right? Otherwise the Naskell fight will drive you nuts.

-Jam

[Drogue]

Originally posted by duke o' york
I wish I'd gone for a Lawful Good fighter though. I'm enjoying it, but a fighter can get up to 5 stars in weapon proficiency in any weapon, and a ranger can only get 2. More stars, more damage.

For BGI that's very true. For BGII it makes little difference, and in BGII Rangers get an extra 2* in dual wielding. Very useful.

I'm playing as a ranger, because I like the RP and the dual. Mine is like an undead hunter. He's Neutral Good (so he's not bound by law to hunt undead in a legal manner), he has Vampire as his racial enemy, and he'll dual to a cleric quite early (for BGII) so he'll have high level turn undead. He'll also wield the Mace of Disruption.

So far I've got to Nashkel, I've just turned to level 4, and my party has:
Imoen (lead, level 5)
Minsc (level 4)
Jaheira (level 3/3)
Khalid (level 3, almost 4)
And soo Dynaheir.

I'm missing my usual magic ability, as I usually have 2 mages, but I Khalid with a bow and Minsc and my PC charging give me a lot of firepower.

Originally posted by duke o' york
Look at the tables in the back of the manual to see how much gold you can save when buying things with a high reputation, and you'll understand why it is important to play your first game as lawful good. After that, go wild with your roleplaying and choose more appropriate alignments for whichever characters you want to use, but first time through you need to learn the system.

I dunno, it only costs a bit og gold to put it up the 1 rep point that Lawful Good gives over Neutral or Chaotic Good, and IMHO, unless you're a paladin or a cleric, it's more realistic, and a lot easier to RP (gives you more things to do) if you're one of those, as opposed to Lawful Good. Very few people would be that, IMHO, and usually those with some sort of religious duty to do so.