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  • I truelly believe isolationism can work for the U.S.

    I really do not like all the heat we took for Iraq. I am disgusted by the whole thing. The rest of the world is ungrateful for the U.S. I realize we could not go isolationist after 9/11 as that would imply that we are surrendering to terrorism.

    But now after 2 significant victories in the middle east we have proved our point. Do not provoke us or we will rip you a new one. We had to prove we were not a paper tiger as everyone believed after 12 years of weak republican and democratic leadership.

    Now we can go out on top of our game. I suggest withdrawing troops from all middle east positions along with Italy, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, Azores, Iceland, and anywhere else the U.S. is stationed.

    And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N. And remove all support from Israel.

    Granted the U.S. will lose a lot economically. The main reasons the republicans push foreign policy so diligently is because of big business interests overseas. There is vast wealth to be made overseas. We would no longer be an economic powerhouse if we did this.

    but the fact would remain that we would still be a formidable nation that no one could conquer. No matter how small we reduced our military.

    I truelly believed in the founding fathers vision of America (except for the slavery bit ). They advised to stay out of world politics, and for good reason. World politics disgusts me. The refusal to lift sanctions on Iraq was the final straw for me. I am sickened by world politcs. Let these scoundrels fight for economic control over nations like Iraq. They will look like the bad guy, not us.
    Last edited by Dis; April 21, 2003, 06:22.

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    Re: I truelly believe isolationism can work for the U.S.

    Originally posted by Dissident
    But now after 2 significant victories in the middle east we have proved our point. Do not provoke us or we will rip you a new one. We had to prove we were not a paper tiger as everyone believed after 12 years of weak republican and democratic leadership.

    Now we can go out on top of our game. I suggest withdrawing troops from all middle east positions along with Italy, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, Azores, Iceland, and anywhere else the U.S. is stationed.

    And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N.

    Are you insane or just really, really stupid?

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    • #3
      Some thoughts:

      1) We won't be a world power forever, and the ride down is a lot tougher than the ride up. It would be nice to have some friends on our side when it happens.

      2) When China finally decides it's time to enter the modern world, I would want to be part of that conversation, wouldn't you?

      3) Just to be clear: you're advocating a position that would have kept us out of Iraq to begin with. You know that, right?
      "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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      • #4
        And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N.

        You guys were mean to me, I will go play in my own house!

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        • #5
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            Hehe, the Information Age, Global Village and Dis wants the US to retreat into the Middle Ages

            Dis, this ain't Kansas anymore...
            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
            And notifying the next of kin
            Once again...

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            • #7
              I actually think the US should start to meddle more in other countries. Introduce democracy and unbridled capitalism throughout the world.
              www.my-piano.blogspot

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Boddington's
                I actually think the US should start to meddle more in other countries. Introduce democracy and unbridled capitalism throughout the world.
                If Afghanistan is your idea of democracy and unbridled capitalism, I think I'll go for the Worker's Paradise.

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                • #9
                  I agree that we need to be more isolationist.

                  Besides that, the U.S. needs to abandon our "the enemy of my enemy, is my friend" way of thinking.

                  Fool me once, shame on you.
                  Fool me twice, shame on me.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    We've never been isolationist. Why should we start now?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      too late. we stepped up and became the worlds policeman. we pissed too many people off to sink back now.
                      "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                      - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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                      • #12
                        Bye! Feel free to sell off your overseas business interests to the Japanese and Europeans for rock bottom prices!
                        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                        -Richard Dawkins

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                        • #13
                          Pissed them off NOW?
                          Right. Someone always pissed off, no matter what.

                          Look at latest war.
                          Arms placed in civilian location, but coaltion manages to keep civilian casulties remarkably low.
                          What do you hear? Whine and moan.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            Pissed them off NOW?
                            Right. Someone always pissed off, no matter what.

                            Look at latest war.
                            Arms placed in civilian location, but coaltion manages to keep civilian casulties remarkably low.
                            What do you hear? Whine and moan.
                            i didnt say piss off now, i said sink back now.

                            we've been pissing people off for generations
                            "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                            - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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                            • #15
                              at least we got oil now!

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