Coming out

[red_jon]

Narnia. Closet. Heehee.

[Skanky Burns]

/me watches as a 747 flies way over his head.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by red_jon
Narnia. Closet. Heehee.

Thanks.

[Guynemer]

Asher, congrats. I'm very happy for you.

As for Nationalist... frankly, not even worth the webspace this sentence takes up.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by nationalist

The gay people that I know/ encounter on a daily basis are either obnoxious flamers, disgusting 90 pound effiminate sissies, self righteous super-leftists, or some combination of these three traits.

I wonder where you hang out (pun intended) in order to 'know/encounter' these people? None of my friends who are gay match your description.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DarthVeda
This brings up an interesting issue: cloning. What do you guys think? Say (hypothetically) one day down the road human cloning becomes acceptable and feasible. Will homosexual couples (in the case of men, assuming they have a willing female host) have the same trouble getting a child through this manner as they do today in adoption?

The easier having kids comes for everyone, the easier it will be for gays to have them. It will always be more difficult for gays, but I think that's a good thing. It ensures gay parents will have to *really* want to have their children, unlike those who procreate sans thinking.

Also, this raises the question of what happens if their offspring decides that they do *not* want to be a homosexual. Will these children be looked down upon as some homosexuals are by their parents? Will the homosexual DNA parents try to impose their sexual belief structure on the child? What are the moral implications of this?

I know a few gay parents, and they have all raised their kids exactly like anyone else--under the presumption they will be heterosexual. That's the safe bet, since 90+% of kids will be heterosexual anyway. The difference is that, having gay parents, should the kid happen to be gay, the angst and fear encountered at the prospect of coming out is eliminated. So I think, in the end, it will mean no difference for straight kids, a huge difference for gay ones.

Now, there may be the few crap parents who try to force their kid into being gay, but they'll only be inflicting potential unneccessary trauma on them, just like straight parents who would shoehorn their kids into being straight.

...

And no, Nationalist isn't worth the effort. Not approving of gays is one thing, but to 'proudly' label oneself a bigot who hates gays as people...well, that's simply disgusting. Thankfully, folks like him are being relegated to the fringes of society more and more. Hopefully he won't end up bombing a Federal building someday.

The great irony is that, given his desire to have many kids (oddly, not out of seeming to want to share love, but just to procreate...nice priorities!), one of them will likely be gay.

Part of me pities that kids so much, since he/she will be in for so much hatred from a parent. But my darker side relishes the fact that such a thing would make Nationalist suffer. I'm beyond the point of hoping he learns, but just would love to know about his dispair...

but...

Since that would entail traumatizing his poor kids, who doesn't deserve such a thing, our only hope is that it turns out he's sterile. Everyone wins, then.

But good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Agathon]

Well Asher, that took some guts.

Whoever said your parents would be feeling a bit funny as well is right. Maybe you should initiate the next conversation - it will be hard for them if they have conservative friends. Your Dad must really love you - I love my wife, but I'd never watch "Much Music" with her.

A friend of ours came out to everyone a long time ago and was really offended that everyone told him they already had known for years (it was hyper obvious really). We'd all spoiled his big moment. The strange thing is that he really thought no one knew.

[Solly]

Well summed up Nationalist. A while ago, that post would have you banned from this site, but thankfully no more. It's about time traditional views were held in such esteem.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Well summed up Nationalist. A while ago, that post would have you banned from this site, but thankfully no more. It's about time traditional views were held in such esteem.

Traditional Germany circa 1933.

[MattHiggs]

Boddington's is a virgin, I think this explains everything.

[MattHiggs]

Damn, tried to do a red_jon pose on my avatar, nearly

[MikeH]

Missed this at CG if it was there.

Glad it went OK for you Asher, well done.

[Solly]

Higgsy

"Traditional Germany circa 1933."

What's that leftist quote? The first to mention Hitler loses...

Homosexuality should be hidden from society. No-one wants to know about your dirty secret.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Well summed up Nationalist. A while ago, that post would have you banned from this site, but thankfully no more. It's about time traditional views were held in such esteem.

No Boddington's... no one holds those "traditional" bigoted views in high esteem. That kind of crap still isn't allowed on this site. If you or Nationalist continue it, it will lead to a restriction. The warning would have come sooner if I had seen it quicker.

I would recommend you stay away from these kind of discussions Bodds... because you are one post away from yet another restriction.

[Guynemer]

Boddington's should be hidden from society. No-one wants to read your inane rantings and homophobia.