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    sorry spiffor




    Howard seeks to demote France in UN

    Prime Minister John Howard wants to reform the United Nations, saying the presence of France as a permanent member of the Security Council "distorts" the council.

    He wants Japan, a South American country and India to be represented on the Security Council. France was there only because it was a global power at the end of World War II, he said.

    Asking France or any other permanent member of the Security Council to voluntarily surrender their seat was "a major undertaking", he conceded.

    His comments risk the ire of France before the first visit to Australia by President Jacques Chirac, who is due in the country in July.

    France angered the war coalition nations with its strong opposition to a second UN resolution backing military action. Once the troops went into Iraq, President Chirac was a vocal opponent of the war.



    Mr Howard offered a compromise, which he said would make the UN more representative of the modern world - three levels of Security Council members, the permanent members, the rotating members and a new group of permanent members that had no veto. It would be "a far better expression of world opinion", he said.

    Despite his criticism of the Security Council, Mr Howard said the UN had a complementary role to play in the reconstruction of Iraq. But the interim authority would be run by the US with help from Britain, Australia and others.

    Mr Howard cautioned against moving too fast to a new Iraqi-controlled government, because the model had to be right. He suggested a federal system similar to Australia's could be suitable for Iraq. "When you reflect upon the strong Kurdish component in the north, the Shiite preponderance in the south and the Sunni preponderance in the middle, perhaps there is some merit in a federal experiment in Iraq," Mr Howard told the 13th Commonwealth Law Conference in Melbourne.

    He mentioned the possible model with "some trepidation" in case he was accused of trying to impose an alien Australian solution on another country.

    "But when you have strong ethnic and regional differences, it is only a federal system of government that perhaps might provide the means of holding the nation together."

    Government officials said Australia's views on the shape of a postwar Iraqi government had been made known to the US and included two main principles - that it be determined by the Iraqi people and that it should allow for representatives of the three main groups and some further tribal groupings.

    The Kurds should have a strong degree of autonomy, the officials said.

    Australia has sent a number of officials to be part of the transitional authority headed by US retired general Jay Garner. The Department of Foreign Affairs official is Andrew Goledzinowski, an assistant secretary who has worked as a career diplomat and as the chief of staff to Mary Robinson, the former UN high commissioner for refugees.

    Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd said Mr Howard should focus his intention on more immediate issues, such as the crisis at Baghdad's hospitals.

    "The primary concern is to make sure the hospitals are no longer looted and medical supplies and services are being dispensed to the Iraqi people," Mr Rudd said.

    Also yesterday, Mr Howard attacked "armchair generals" who criticised the conduct of the war, while it had run largely according to plan. "Of all the doomsday scenarios that were predicted, not one of them has been realised," he said

  • #2
    AU!
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    • #3
      He wants ... India to be represented on the Security Council.
      I would like to see what Pakistan would have to say about that.

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      And how is France less of a world power than Argentina or Brazil?

      Silly Howard.
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      • #4
        This is a very interesting idea. The reason the French have a veto is that they were on the winning side in WWII. But, of course, they had very littlte to do with that win, and there is really no justification, other than the luck of history, for their veto power.
        Why not eliminate it?
        I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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        • #5
          What a boob!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by LoneWolf
            This is a very interesting idea. The reason the French have a veto is that they were on the winning side in WWII. But, of course, they had very littlte to do with that win, and there is really no justification, other than the luck of history, for their veto power.
            Why not eliminate it?
            They are comparable in military strength to the British, and with them and the US are the only nations capable of projecting conventional military force far from their borders.

            In other words,
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            • #7
              On paper maybe, but we know the Brits would smack the **** out of the French.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #8
                I think this is a pretty ingenious idea. Restructuring the UN would allow it to change to meet the world's demands.

                Unfortunately, I don't think that France or some of the other members of the UN would want to give up what power they do have.

                Is there an Asian country that is a permanent UN member?
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                • #9
                  Frogger- And your points (if even debatably true) are relevant because...?
                  I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                  • #10
                    Nope, Frogger, and LoneWolf.

                    The reason they are there is the Brits wanted them there.

                    Comparable in military strength? Maybe. Comparable in influence? Not a chance.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      On paper maybe, but we know the Brits would smack the **** out of the French.
                      Luckily, we'll never find out. The point is that everybody else is 4th place when it comes to a US-style technological, large and mobile army.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Frankychan
                        Is there an Asian country that is a permanent UN member?
                        Just an insignifigant country who is "best friends" with the DPRK.
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                        • #13
                          China also has a veto, Frankychan, for exactly the same reason as France.
                          I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                          • #14
                            Nod, thanks.

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                            • #15
                              How about:

                              US
                              UK
                              France
                              Japan
                              China
                              Russia
                              India
                              Brazil
                              South Africa
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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