Aussie PM wants to demote the French in the U.N. Security Council

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Frogger


Same stupid idea. You've managed to exclude all of continental europe from veto power, but have included the UK. "Gee, that ain't fair" is exactly what europe would think. And they'd be right. The UK is just about the black sheep of europe and you've chosen it to represent them?

"Continental Europe" is a pretty arbitrary group. However giving it to Germany wouldn't be that awful. Germany is economically and militarily more powerful than France, but less powerful politically, especially in Africa.

[notyoueither]

Maybe Canada as a permanent member could be counted on to see to the interests of the US? Well, Minnesota, Maine, and Montana would get looked after, anyway...

[KrazyHorse]

Germany is [...] militarily more powerful than France

[LoneWolf]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
We should not give any new nations vetoes. Even India. If anything we should lose the veto system. When there were talks of a second resolution on Iraq (and yes, I know its really 19th or whatever, but you know what I mean) France said it would veto, so the US and company just went to war without the resolution. No matter what your opinion on the war, I'm sure you all can agree that wasn't a good effect. That's directly caused by the veto system. I'd prefer we revoked everyone's vetos.

If you talk about power, Europe deserves one-half of a seat (if that).

[Drake Tungsten]

You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans...

You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Maybe Canada as a permanent member could be counted on to see to the interests of the US? Well, Minnesota, Maine, and Montana would get looked after, anyway...

Don't forget Vermont.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans...

You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

You hinted already. Nothing showed up, and the mexicans are pissed. 'Specially after the "disciplining" comments made by your Prez...

[notyoueither]

Vermont? They don't have an 'M'.

OK. We can look out for them too, if you insist.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Frogger


The French are a distant 4th in vetoes used since the institution of the SC. The Russians and the Americans take the cake on that one. You'd see a hell of a lot more SC resolutions telling Israel to **** off without vetoes.

Read the link I gave earlier...IIRC something like half of US vetoes deal with Israel, and most were solo vetoes.

Of course US and Russia have a lot. They were in pretty much direct conflict for 80% of the UN's existence.

[KrazyHorse]

7 of last 9 vetoes were by US. Six dealt with Israel.

A man with an israeli flag ought to keep that in mind.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Frogger

Germany is [...] militarily more powerful than France

NM. For the most part you're right. Germany has more troops but France has more planes, tanks, etc.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans...

You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

Canada could offer... splitting the US down the middle. They can have California. We'll take Mass and New York. Of course, we'll have toi learn how to spell Massachuesaetts, first.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Vermont? They don't have an 'M'.

OK. We can look out for them too, if you insist.

Hell, they've got maple syrup and are practically Canacoms. Plus, Montreal gets Vermont news broadcasts.

[LoneWolf]

Minnesota is more important than all of the others combined.
Anyway, if you could limit people into the BWCA, more power to you.

Others: (If you don't know what the BWCA is, too bad).

[notyoueither]

Well, OK. What about the Massachuesaetts motion?