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  • #46
    Why does it matter? My point is that Europe doesn't deserve two seats; I don't really care who they appoint as long as they only get one.
    Why doesn't Europe deserve two spots? There is a lot of power concentrated there.

    If you want to go by strictly by representing the world's population, then India and China should have at least twice as much as the U.S. in SC decisions.



    You might be able to make a case for keeping the UK seat around to represent the Commonwealth nations, but I think that they would be adequately represented under my scheme.
    Adequately represented by who? South Africa? Even the U.K. doesn't represent the wishes of a lot of commonwealth nations these days.
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    • #47
      Damn right!! And move the building to Ottowa!
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      • #48
        Wanna bet we'd win every time?


        Sure. We actually have sticks and carrots to pressure the Mexicans with. What the hell is Canada going to do to get Mexico on their side?
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        • #49
          Damn right!! And move the building to Ottowa!
          Yes! Let's make Jean Chretien Prime Minister Of Earth!

          Who's with me?!

          (ducks tomatoes)
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
            Brazil and South Africa shouldn't be on the council just because they are the strongest country on their continent. France has more influence in Africa than South Africa does. And France isn't that powerful. Brazil could be a permanent non-veto member. (Although if they were given a veto I doubt they'd use it.)

            I like the idea of permanent members with no veto. It would end up somewhat like this:

            Veto:
            UK
            USA
            Russia
            China

            Permanent:
            Japan
            France
            Germany
            India
            Brazil
            Same stupid idea. You've managed to exclude all of continental europe from veto power, but have included the UK. "Gee, that ain't fair" is exactly what europe would think. And they'd be right. The UK is just about the black sheep of europe and you've chosen it to represent them?
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            • #51
              Not Ottawa! Nooooooooooo!

              Montreal would be good. Winnipeg definitely not. Might get the different levels confused. Vancouver? All of them would be too busy enjoying the scenery to get up to too much mischief then.

              Calgary if you want them to go to hell.
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              • #52
                We should not give any new nations vetoes. Even India. If anything we should lose the veto system. When there were talks of a second resolution on Iraq (and yes, I know its really 19th or whatever, but you know what I mean) France said it would veto, so the US and company just went to war without the resolution. No matter what your opinion on the war, I'm sure you all can agree that wasn't a good effect. That's directly caused by the veto system. I'd prefer we revoked everyone's vetos.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  Wanna bet we'd win every time?


                  Sure. We actually have sticks and carrots to pressure the Mexicans with. What the hell is Canada going to do to get Mexico on their side?
                  You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans...
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by cinch


                    Yes! Let's make Jean Chretien Prime Minister Of Earth!

                    Who's with me?!

                    (ducks tomatoes)
                    Cool with me, as long as we withdraw!
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                    • #55
                      Calgary if you want them to go to hell.


                      These boards need more Anti-Calgary humour!
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                      • #56
                        That was for Asher.
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                        • #57
                          Why doesn't Europe deserve two spots? There is a lot of power concentrated there.


                          If you give out seats based on power, then the US deserves at least two. That's not going to happen, so why should Europe get two?

                          Adequately represented by who? South Africa? Even the U.K. doesn't represent the wishes of a lot of commonwealth nations these days.


                          The US and the EU seats would represent Canada and Australia. South Africa would cover the African members. India would represent itself. Singapore has China. Malaysia and Pakistan are left out, but we can't get everyone.

                          On second thought, Pakistan or Malaysia would be a good representative of the Muslim world. Maybe they should give a seat to the pan-Muslim organization (forget what it's called) instead of the Arab League.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
                            We should not give any new nations vetoes. Even India. If anything we should lose the veto system. When there were talks of a second resolution on Iraq (and yes, I know its really 19th or whatever, but you know what I mean) France said it would veto, so the US and company just went to war without the resolution. No matter what your opinion on the war, I'm sure you all can agree that wasn't a good effect. That's directly caused by the veto system. I'd prefer we revoked everyone's vetos.
                            The French are a distant 4th in vetoes used since the institution of the SC. The Russians and the Americans take the cake on that one. You'd see a hell of a lot more SC resolutions telling Israel to **** off without vetoes.

                            Read the link I gave earlier...IIRC something like half of US vetoes deal with Israel, and most were solo vetoes.
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                            • #59
                              Hey now, I've been to Calgary, its beautiful. Well, only because of it's surroundings, but anyway.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                                Adequately represented by who? South Africa? Even the U.K. doesn't represent the wishes of a lot of commonwealth nations these days.


                                The US and the EU seats would represent Canada and Australia.
                                Speak for yourself Yankee.

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