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  • #61
    Why?
    Essentially, you're saying that the reasons for a war become irrelevant after it has been fought and won. Does that mean that the American government can undertake any military action it wants, as long as it 'wins'?

    There has to be a valid reason that the war was fought, a valid reason why people had to die. The fact that a war was 'won' does not make it noble, and the only way we can truly know if it was the right course of action is if we know the reasons for which the war was originally started.
    "I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
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    • #62
      If you were being tortured with electricity to your head (and other areas) every day, do you think you would care about the technical justification for your release?
      I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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      • #63
        Originally posted by LoneWolf


        Did we ask? Are we the only ones who didn't like those "leaders"?
        You were in minority who wanted this war. The rest of UN security concil were against. That's why you acted without UN, because it was absolutely clear that UN wouldn't support this war.
        And btw, bad leaders, good leaders- it is not the reason for war. That's what all countries agreed when UN was founded. What you did it's clearly AGGRESSION against independent country in accordance with UN charter.
        So, once again who gave USA right to violate international laws?

        Russian Federation is very unhappy about leaders of three Baltic states and very unhappy how Russians are treated in those countries. So, in accordance with your logic we can invade them, install there loyal regimes and it will be Ok if will do it fast.
        Last edited by Serb; April 19, 2003, 02:23.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by LoneWolf
          If you were being tortured with electricity to your head (and other areas) every day, do you think you would care about the technical justification for your release?
          If your only child have been slain by American bomb, your house have been destroyed by American tank, and your whole country have been occupied by foreign aggressors who had started to pump out oil from your country, do you think you would care about the technical justification for their invasion in your country?

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          • #65
            Go for it!

            As for minority views, yes, those are generally the correct views.

            As for your signature, I think that fish and people can, in fact, coexist.
            I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Serb


              If your only child have been slain by American bomb, your house have been destroyed by American tank, and your whole country have been occupied by foreign aggressors who had started to pump out oil from your country, do you think you would care about the technical justification for their invasion in your country?
              No. I'd be angry, but the invasion would still be right. The irony of life is that often the particular is bad, and the general is good.
              I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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              • #67
                Originally posted by LoneWolf

                As for minority views, yes, those are generally the correct views.
                Great aproach. Very democratic. Very American.
                As for your signature, I think that fish and people can, in fact, coexist.
                The funny thing about this claim is that it is in fact Bush speech on one of the environmentalist's meetings.
                Oh common it's funny as hell. Just imagine absolutely serious Bush proclaiming those fascinating words.
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                • #68
                  Yes, I see, you think the Siberians know much more about democracy than we do. Well, good luck with that!
                  I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by LoneWolf


                    No. I'd be angry, but the invasion would still be right.
                    Really? Why? Because America decided this?
                    You called this war- operation Iraqi freedom. It's impossible to bring freedom to people by killing their children, by destroying their houses, by killing themselves, and by replacing their dictator with bunch of your dictators who let you rob Iraqi oil freely.

                    The irony of life is that often the particular is bad, and the general is good.
                    The irony of outside life (outside of USA) is that often what Americans think is good, other people think is bad and otherwise.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by LoneWolf
                      Yes, I see, you think the Siberians know much more about democracy than we do. Well, good luck with that!
                      Sure we do.
                      Just look at your last elections. The result of this elections isn't surprising consider that Americans like you think that "As for minority views, yes, those are generally the correct views. "

                      American democracy sucks.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Serb


                        Where, when and how you found a single Kornet?
                        You're just repeating words of your leadership which complained at the beginning of war that "we are doing not so well as we expected, because evil Russian sold some of their modern weaponry to Iraq. Blahblahblah. we know this but we have no proofs. blahblahblah.
                        How long has it taken you people to still be ****ing around in Chechnya? Funny, I don't recall any US leadership blaming Russian weapons for any delays (we'd actually have to have incurred significant losses).

                        If your leadership was unable to prove that Iraqis have Kornets, I doubt YOU can do this.
                        Russian websites were bragging about it, but I suppose you're right, Russia hasn't sold to the Iraqis any weapons systems worth a ****, because Russian weapons systems worth a **** is an oxymoron.
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                        • #72
                          What more can one say. The tradition of Siberian democracy speaks for itself.
                          I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                            How long has it taken you people to still be ****ing around in Chechnya?
                            No one ****ing around in Chechnya since very long time. Active military actions lasted there a couple of months and aside you we have balls to fight in mountains not only in deserts where air superiority decides everything.
                            About 1 month ago there was referendum where absolute majority (more then 90%) of people of Chechnya accepted new constitution (which says that Chechnya is part of Russian Federation), the law about president and parliament elections. Soon there will be elections.
                            Funny, I don't recall any US leadership blaming Russian weapons for any delays (we'd actually have to have incurred significant losses).
                            Yeah right. US military didn't lost a single tank, helicopter or soldier and everything went just as your strategists planned.
                            Russian websites were bragging about it,
                            L I N K?
                            Btw, do you read Russian?
                            but I suppose you're right, Russia hasn't sold to the Iraqis any weapons systems worth a ****, because Russian weapons systems worth a **** is an oxymoron.
                            I see you are an expert.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Serb

                              American democracy sucks.
                              On a related note, Powell (whom I generally like, and for whom I will soon be working) was quoted as saying that the job of the US was now to "impose democracy on Iraq."

                              Show of hands, please: who here can tell me what's wrong with the phrase "impose democracy"? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?

                              "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by LoneWolf
                                Regarding your signature:

                                Indeed, we see the need and respond. Do you realize that there were CHILDREN IN PRISON in Iraq?
                                And do you know why they were there?

                                Isn´t it possible that they commited crimes, such as robbing or murfering and therefore served a prison sentence?

                                Many countries, among them the United States, put children into prison if they have commited serious crimes
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