Powell's Comments Re: Chile '73

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Ned

As to the aftermath, Pinochet appears to have gone a little too far. I remember that he allegedly had communists step out of helocopters over the ocean. I doubt that the US "supported," such actions in the sense that we participated in them or approved of them.

Oh come on Ned... like when US gave the list of commies to Saddam when US first propelled him to power - wander why were 800+ people from that list dead? probably for the similar reasons chilean commies were feeding fish in the Pacific... elimination of competition is most effective... it wasn't the idea confined to Stalin only.

[Ned]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
Oh come on Ned... like when US gave the list of commies to Saddam when US first propelled him to power - wander why were 800+ people from that list dead? probably for the similar reasons chilean commies were feeding fish in the Pacific... elimination of competition is most effective... it wasn't the idea confined to Stalin only.

Why is giving a list of communists to a new government the same thing as ordering their deaths? I think you first must establish that we knew Pinochet was going to murder them.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

well what do you think the instructions were, or were the perpertrators spanked or awarded when they executed their acts?

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

This does not mean that the US instigated anything. However, I believe we could have stopped it if we said no.

No, Allende's time was over long time ago. Even the Congress ask for his removal, but didn't have the constitutional power to comply.

But I think the left contends that we support a dictator if we provide the dictator military aid.

The only 'aid' we received from the US was money to iniciate propaganda actions in the medias.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm

just a little that has been declassified so far, however could indicate that the US involvment was more than "propaganda money" only...

Cables written by U.S. Ambassador Edward Korry after Allende's election, detailing conversations with President Eduardo Frei on how to block the president-elect from being inaugurated. The cables contain detailed descriptions and opinions on the various political forces in Chile, including the Chilean military, the Christian Democrat Party, and the U.S. business community.

and a few more...

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

It only proovs that the U.S. had information about the coup, nothing else.

Anyway another 'aid' that I didn't count before, and I saw it on the site provided by you, is the economical destabilization factor.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

and supporting assasinations, providing weapons or money for the groups (which would in other circumstances be called terrorists) etc... and that is just the beginning of declassification...

Do you need a memo where Kissinger orders - Kill Allende and communist collaboratiors! I'll pay you 10 mill USD to do it.

[academia]

Ok. When I say "support" and X government, it could means different things. Money, miltary aid, give the green light.

It´s obvious that both the commies and the americans supported many revolutions, coup d´etats, guerrillas, etc. all over latinamerica.

It´s so hard to recognize that? They were two superpowers struggling for dominance of the world.
Those were the times of the cold war!! espionage!! everything was legal in order to achieve your objective

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Academia - actually nothing has changed today, apart that there is only 1 superpower today, and if you step on it's fingers - everything is legal still... well we are talking only about a few hundred or thousands of people killed by Pinochet... not on the scale as the communists when they got the power (trough coups or revolutions) but still saying " we are so good" - is stretching it a lot.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Do you need a memo where Kissinger orders - Kill Allende and communist collaboratiors! I'll pay you 10 mill USD to do it.

Then Kissinger should pay Allende's family cause he kill himself, after receiveng a call from the militars asking him to surrender and gaving him the opportunity to fly to Cuba.

[academia]

Academia - actually nothing has changed today, apart that there is only 1 superpower today, and if you step on it's fingers - everything is legal still...

Yep. It´s always been that way.
Powerful people / states operate outside the law in order to protect / defend / expand their interests.
Like diplomats in civ2 say: "our words are backed with Nuclear Weapons"
Who has the balls to defy them?
Ah! In case you dare to defy them... prepare for the consequences...

[academia]

Hola Chilean!
Es al pedo seguir discutiendo, no?

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Hola academia.. pues si, en especial cuando estas hasta el cogote de trabajo eso pasa por abrir threads en las cuales no me puedo quedar callao

PD: toy con la Coty

[academia]

toy con la Coty

CONGRATULATIONS!!!
YOU FOUND TRUE LOVE

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Joseph

In 1938, the USA was 13th in world Power. That right 12 other countries had more power than we did. The US did very little in Central and South America until after W.W.II. We did help Panama gain freedom from Colombia and we sent the Marines to Guatemala in 1923? That is about it. Your anti-American attitude is showing.

That's BS. The Caribbean was an American lake and we occupied nearly every country in Central American and the Antillies. We've invaded Nicaragua more times than any other country. Hell, we invaded Latin America almost 100 times before WWII. If that's your idea od did very little, I'd hate to see what you think an active role in LA would be like.

Hey, Chilean President, present some evidence of Allende planing to turn Chile into a Commie dicatoratorship. Since he was a Social democrat, I highly doubt it.