Dancing in the streets!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Japher
Maybe if everyone in Baghdad parties really hard the remaining Iraqi soldier will give up because they would rather party than die...? That would be kwel.

Then the US soldiers would join in and we could have the world's biggest conga line!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lincoln


You do a pretty good job of smearing yourself as your photo explains quite clearly. Look up your own record. I don't have time to wade through the pile at the moment.

Concession accepted.


Anyway, how bad is the looting now in Basra, or were the Brits able to get it under control?

Curiously, British and American intelligence seem to be at totally at odds over Saddam's fate. The Brits say he lived, the CIA says he died. Considering the CIA said he died before, we should probably not hold our breaths...

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why would you care about how it was done? I was under the impression that your opossition was more broad than that.

Actually, how the president went about getting to this point, and how he plans to go froward from this point make up about 95% of my opposition to this little enterprise.

I am not one of those people that thought millions would die, neither did i expect iraqis to fight to hard for Saddam, nor do I think it was doen for oil. I said all of that countless times as we went to war.

I do think this admin. hooked the majority of the US to support this war with a lie (its about WMD and terrorist!) and becuase of it does not have a US public really prepared for what is to come. That is why if idn this thread so silly: the job is not over, the hard part, which will be slow, and unglamarous, and won;t be on TV 24 hours a day, specially once all the reporters come home, is just a few days from getting satrted, not finished.

And fundamentally, when i see this admin. making snide side comments about Syria, or how this ia a model for future action I worry deeply. I don;t buy the Wolfowitz theory of the world and see great dangers in it.

So you are right DD, my opposition is deep, because I do think how you get there and how you move on from there are as important as what "there" is.

[Lincoln]

Well Boris, I admit that it is not all roses and kisses in Iraq. But surely you can see a ray of hope for these people now that Saddam has been deposed? I am trying to understand the liberal mindset. Do you see any good in this liberation or is this just a staged event?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by CyberShy
But I know it's hard for people to admit to have been wrong. But you guys can stick into your little world. I'm happy to have seen the iraqi people celebrating their freedom.

I care less about you guys getting real.

And what do we have to admit being wrong about? Yes, some people made dire predictions of a botched military campaign, but most of us expected the war to go as it did--a pretty swift victory with not a whole lot of coalition casualties.

The war victory in no way shows us "wrong" in our opposition to the war. Further, we've yet to see ANY evidence of the much-vaunted WoMD, which you will recall were the REASON for the war.

So will you issue your own apology should none be found and that reason be proven a lie?

[Japher]

Conga Across Iraq... C.I.A.?


The liberation is just an excuse to PARTY! No good will come from it, just like putting a man on the moon.

[DinoDoc]

GePap: Mea Culpa. I was under the impression that you didn't believe Iraq to be a serious threat and could be dealt with via containment.
Now that I think about it. You probably dealt with that in your "lie" comment.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Well Boris, I admit that it is not all roses and kisses in Iraq. But surely you can see a ray of hope for these people now that Saddam has been deposed? I am trying to understand the liberal mindset. Do you see any good in this liberation or is this just a staged event?

The question is how long it will last. People in Teheran surely danced when the evil Savak and the other symbols of decades of the Sha's tyranny came down, and hell, they came down by Iranina hands. The goevrnment that replaced the Shah is still there, now labeled part of the "axis of evil".

People also danced in Havana when Batista left..and ditto "now enemy of the US".

So the question is: in five years, will Iraqis have a free press and prosperity, or just have another authoritarian regime? The answer to that question, or better yet, the process that will lead to that answer is about to begin. So thinking the end is here is silly..as I said, an end has come, but thus a beginning as well.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Well Boris, I admit that it is not all roses and kisses in Iraq. But surely you can see a ray of hope for these people now that Saddam has been deposed? I am trying to understand the liberal mindset. Do you see any good in this liberation or is this just a staged event?

I was happy to see the children freed from jails, as well as to see the political prisoners freed. Who could complain about that?

I will be happy when we can prove Hussein dead or he is captured. I would rather see him captured and put on trial at the Hague (although given their botching of the Milosovic trial, perhaps not...), but his being gone one way or the other is certainly a positive thing, just because he is a rat bastard.

Once the war started, getting Saddam became a non-issue for me, as the dye was cast and swift victory meant removing/debilitating him ASAP.

But none of that changes my general opposition to the war, the way it was started and for what ostensible reasons. None of that changes my belief that Iraq is going to teeter on a very dangerous edge for a long time, and its future is by no means secured. None of that changes my belief that we have just seriously wounded our international reputation and created an entirely new level of resentment towards the United States, and the repurcussions will be felt for a long time through a lot of grief.

In short, dance now if you must, but I believe we will pay a severe price later.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Now that I think about it. You probably dealt with that in your "lie" comment.

and Bingo was his name-o.

[Lincoln]

Well at least we agree Boris that the true test is yet to come. We will have to wait and see.

[Chemical Ollie]

I will not celebrate until they dance in the streets of Tikrit and Mosul. Those cities are Saddam-land, which the south isn't. The coalition forces have not even entered the dragons lair yet...

[Lincoln]

If I lived in those cities I would be long gone...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre
I will not celebrate until they dance in the streets of Tikrit and Mosul. Those cities are Saddam-land, which the south isn't. The coalition forces have not even entered the dragons lair yet...

I wouldn't expect much more fighting for now. They would be smarter just to let the US in and sit tight for the aftermath. Why get killed today when you can still have a chance to get what you want later?

[Evil_Eric_4]

Pattycakes,Curtsibling,Micheal The Great,Gepap,Boris,MarkG,and others.

Sorry we won--better luck next time huh?

Maybe your despot/terrorist of choice will beat the USA next time then YOU folks can dance in the streets.

Today is the Iraqis and coalitions time.