How CNN gets their footage...

[Daz]

Yesterday I've seen a report on german TV how CNN gets their footage from Iraq. They showed a CNN report, followed by COMPLETE, raw, unedited footage.

On CNN we could see fierce battle, a Iraqi tank burning and a APC being blasted by an anti-tank missile. US soldiers firing on Iraqi positions and covering.

Then they showed what actually happened. A US soldier running to the abandoned tank, throwing a grenade inside. Voila, burning enemy tank. He ran back and the camera crew made another shot with him firing while showing the burning tank.

Then they found an abandoned APC. The same dude ran over to it, opened the rear door (how stupid would that be?) and 30 secs later they blast it with a anti-tank missile.

Part 3. A US soldier standing next to a building calls the camera crew over, telling them where to stand. Now he gets behind the side of the house and tries firing but the gun wont fire. How embarassing. Another soldier comes over instead and starts shooting at some houses about 100m across. Just 2 or 3 seconds later a totally unsuspecting civilian on a bicycle drives by the house these dumbasses where shooting at! (how reckless...)

...just shows that you should not believe what you see on TV, especially not CNN!

[Asher]

I'm confused. You're upset because CNN doesn't show every aspect of the battle?

1) Grenade-in-tank isn't surprising, it's been shown on CNN in many cases before (even when they threw a grenade inside the hijacked M1A1 tank in San Diego years ago)
1a) Why would they fire on the tank after the grenade went off? Gee, I don't know -- maybe someone is fleeing the tank or trying to?
2) Guns do jam
3) And I'm still confused how the stupid civilian riding on a bicycle in the middle of the line of fire is reckless on anyone but the civilian's part?

[Asher]

I've got a job for you: Take this megaphone, fly to Iraq, and before a battle occurs, you can use your megaphone to tell all of the civilians not to ride their bikes in the middle of the line of fire. That way the US troops won't be so reckless.

[Asher]

and btw...

...just shows that you should not believe what you see on TV, especially not CNN!

But then why should we believe what you just saw on TV?

[Daz]

Oooo, you a CNN reporter? Chill....

The boys were playing in a no-enemy area. YOu cannot just shoot around like that. There's civiliand around. Oh, wait... we dont care about the civilians, anyway.

Anyway... it shows how easy it is to falsify reports. This was a CNN report. The other government influenced ones do it too. You just dont get to see their original footage...

Something else. It shows how "indipendent" CNN really is.

This is not supposed to be a rant, neither I'm upset. I just told you what I saw, 'cause you'll NEVER gonna see it on American TV stations. The comments were about the recklessnes of the soldiers. There could have been mines around. The door to that APC could have been rigged.

[Daz]

He, he. Just remembered a reporter from Sarajevo, Bosnia. In the 80s he was supposed to make a trip to Berlin and do a report from the Berlin wall.

What he did was go to the local brick factory, stand in front of the wall do a report like he was in Berlin.

Unfortunately, someone got wind of it, and he got fired...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Daz
Oooo, you a CNN reporter? Chill....

The boys were playing in a no-enemy area.

Exactly what areas in Iraq are "no-enemy areas"?...

Something else. It shows how "indipendent" CNN really is.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill...
People understand that things like that are happening, it's not shown every single time. It's combat, grenades are used, guns jam, etc.

CNN was probably showing a brief summary of the battle: ie: US troops blew up the APCs and killed the Iraqi soldiers...they didn't feel they needed to micro-report how a soldier's gun jammed.

I've seen plenty of footage on CNN that certainly wasn't favorable to the Americans, from Iraqi Civilians screaming at the troops to get out, to them complaining about how the US is in it just for the oil, the total chaos of when they come under fire out of nowhere, etc.

This is not supposed to be a rant, neither I'm upset. I just told you what I saw, 'cause you'll NEVER gonna see it on American TV stations.

Yeah, okay, I've seen footage far worse than that on American TV stations.

Where are you from, and why is your horse so high?

BTW, I realize this wasn't a rant of yours, it was a troll.

A very typical one, where the lefty Euro shrugs and sighs, puts forth a really weird and incomprehensible argument and wags a finger saying "and you guys in America wouldn't know this since your stations don't ever show it!". When, in fact, they've shown far worse than that. Sometimes live, even.

Get over it -- CNN didn't deem it newsworthy to show guns jamming every time it occurs. Oh the humanity of it all.

[Daz]

Ack, dude. Why are you so tight about this thing? Im not saying the others dont do it. Al Jazeera and the others are probably worse. I too hate it when they surround wounded kids with 50 reporters and scare the wits out of them. So get off it.

What I saw was 15 minute long uncut material used for the CNN report. It showed 2 US soldiers driving around in a Jeep with a camera crew. No battle, no enemy, no action at all. It could have been filmed in Kuwait. They made the whole thing up and told the camera men to film it. Too easy.

The funny part of it is that the WHOLE footage got to the (obviously) wrong TV station that showed it all. Trust me, I will laugh just as hard when they catch AL Jazeera making stuff up.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Daz
Ack, dude. Why are you so tight about this thing? Im not saying the others dont do it. Al Jazeera and the others are probably worse. I too hate it when they surround wounded kids with 50 reporters and scare the wits out of them. So get off it.

All I'm saying is you're being incredibly dense about it.

Yes, CNN didn't show the full 15 minute long uncut material used for the CNN report. Why? Because it's 15 minutes long!

CNN has other things to show, so they tend to do things civilized networks do called reports. These typically are summarized events, and they are edited substantially so a 15 minute long cut becomes a 30 second long cut to give the jist of a story.

From what you've described, the jist of the story was certainly made in CNN's report, and they certainly aren't censoring it or using it for the sake of propaganda because they don't show the full 15 minute clip.

And I think the "you'll NEVER see this on American TV" thing tells me just how deep the propaganda is across the pond.

You seem to think I'm making this into an us vs them thing. I have no doubt Al Jazeera slants all of the stories, but in all honesty, CNN's reports have been very balanced in this conflict, on par with CBC's.

I've seen adequate coverage of the anti-war protestors domestically, I've seen adequate coverage of the anti-American sentiment many Iraqis and most of the Arab world has (CNN spends a significant amount of time showing what Arab networks are showing, even Chinese english-language networks, and they're very laughable...).

Anyway, the moral of the story is, you obviously don't know what American TV will show. You heavily implied CNN didn't show all those clips you mentioned because it's being used as a propaganda tool of some kind. I think it's fairly obvious CNN didn't show all those clips because, well, it's boring and irrelevant?

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Asher

Yeah, okay, I've seen footage far worse than that on American TV stations.

Like?

[Asher]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Like?

I've already mentioned a few... but the general hatred of the people in Iraq towards the soldiers, how many of the US soldiers tried to aprehend potential POWs rather violently, general confusion a lot of the time (especially when taking fire), the damaged Apaches after their runin with the Medina republican guard division, shooting and killing the occupants of a pickup truck which was driving very rapidly at a US road checkpoint, ended up killing a man and his 9-year old boy (the troops buried the boy), etc.

All of this on CNN...and I consider all of those worse than guns jamming, throwing a grenade in an Iraqi APC, etc.

[HershOstropoler]

Well the story is apparantly about CNN's "embedded" journalists making up a fight where there was none. I haven't seen either CNN's report nor the german one, but I don't know what the point is of a comparison of war coverage and a report on war coverage.

CNNI has some balancing contributions on, but I do not think that is enough to outweigh the legions of retired US military guys they have on air all the time.

[Daz]

Are you Ted Turner to be that defensive?

1. You wont see it on American TV because it is an American fake. Same as you wont see a Al Jazeera fake on Al Jazeera. Thought that was obvious. Dont be so paranoid. I dont hate the US.

2. It is a TOTALLY faked report. That is obvious. The FUNNY part is that the whole 15 minutes, from which it is obvious that it is faked, got into the hands of another TV station that aired it all.

I think the whole thing is funny. And the shooting was a bit reckless. Thats all. I am not at all upset by the fact that it is a fake. Its war! What else do people expect?!

[Asher]

I'm still confused of why you think it's a fake. I'll walk you through why, again:

A US soldier running to the abandoned tank, throwing a grenade inside. Voila, burning enemy tank. He ran back and the camera crew made another shot with him firing while showing the burning tank.

- How did they know the tank was abandonded? They threw the grenade inside incase it was a trap.
- He was probably firing because he might have seen movement, someone getting out of the tank, etc.

Then they found an abandoned APC. The same dude ran over to it, opened the rear door (how stupid would that be?) and 30 secs later they blast it with a anti-tank missile.

Okay, they found an abandoned APC.
It's standard US policy to destroy enemy equipment once they've found it. Now how do you destroy an APC? A grenade? No, a grenade isn't made to take out an APC or tank. So what do you use? An anti-tank missile.

It sounds more likely to me that the German TV might have been faking it, making a story out of nothing or misunderstanding what's going on.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Daz
Ack, dude. Why are you so tight about this thing?

Because, your a "philosopher"

I recommend you terminate the debate. Hes as hard as a rock (Almost like an American teenager. Though I dont know his age). He can't take friendly advice, much less go through a debate calmly and rationally.

So theres just no point