How CNN gets their footage...

[Nubclear]

Hmm...I'm essentially repeating my above post.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I recommend you terminate the debate. Hes as hard as a rock (Almost like an American teenager. Though I dont know his age). He can't take friendly advice, much less go through a debate calmly and rationally.

I don't take "friendly" advice from someone with a condescending tone, and especially when it's given after the fact when I've already apologized for something. I found it in poor form, but you can't tell the difference.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Daz
Are you Ted Turner to be that defensive?

1. You wont see it on American TV because it is an American fake. Same as you wont see a Al Jazeera fake on Al Jazeera. Thought that was obvious. Dont be so paranoid. I dont hate the US.

Quick quiz. Which major western power lost a head of state due to the efforts of a couple of reporters?

Does anyone think that American media as a whole is not credible, really?

[HershOstropoler]

"Quick quiz. Which major western power lost a head of state due to the efforts of a couple of reporters?"

A long time ago, in better times...

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

I don't take "friendly" advice from someone with a condescending tone,

Yawn. I tried to tell you (and I sucessfully did, once) that I meant it in no condescending tone. However it's apparent that you can't tolerate anyone being better than you in any way at anything, so....I see no need to re-hash this.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Yawn. I tried to tell you (and I sucessfully did, once) that I meant it in no condescending tone. However it's apparent that you can't tolerate anyone being better than you

I don't care how you meant it, that's how it came out. It was pointless, stupid, and completely unthoughtful on your part. I was in a bad mood so I told you to piss off, and your response to that? Keep replying.

I see no need to re-hash this.

Apparently not, Einstein, you just dragged this up on a public forum.

[Daz]

Ok. This should be my last post on this topic, clarifying stuff.

The 15 minute material showed the soldiers walking around a few abandoned tanks and talking calmly. It looked like a small village or something. No real signs of battle could be seen, or heard. They clearly talked about what they are going to do and what to film.

I know you didnt see this, and I know that by being a "european leftie" I cannot be trusted, but it WAS like that.

Once again. I dont THINK it was a fake. I, and the TV station that showed it, and 100% of the viewers KNOW that.

Please folks. Dont flame....for whatever reason.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"Quick quiz. Which major western power lost a head of state due to the efforts of a couple of reporters?"

A long time ago, in better times...

Why do you think the same thing could not happen now?

I don't see anyone's journalists, grouped on nationality, to have any higher credibility than the Yanks, with very few exceptions. Most have far less.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

I don't care how you meant it, that's how it came out. It was pointless, stupid, and completely unthoughtful on your part.

Unthoughtful? At least I put a little more thought that "piss off"

I was in a bad mood so I told you to piss off, and your response to that? Keep replying.

Yes...You see, when someone tells someone on an internet forum to "piss off", usually that inflames the reciever and therefore they do just the opposite.

That knowledge is usually used by people who do a common internet tactic called "trolling"

Apparently not, Einstein, you just dragged this up on a public forum.

Hmm.....You detect an oh-so-subtle way of dragging it out into the forums, but you don't even realize it

I would love to continue this in PM, but....Thats impossible, isn't it?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Daz
Ok. This should be my last post on this topic, clarifying stuff.

The 15 minute material showed the soldiers walking around a few abandoned tanks and talking calmly. It looked like a small village or something. No real signs of battle could be seen, or heard. They clearly talked about what they are going to do and what to film.

I'm completely confused about why you thought this would add anything to your case.

Once again. I dont THINK it was a fake. I, and the TV station that showed it, and 100% of the viewers KNOW that.

I'm sooo glad I don't live in Europe.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were French.

How do you KNOW it's faked?
Your rationale, as presented in this thread:
1. Soldiers summoned the camera crews when they thought they'd be doing something "cool" (Apparently some soldiers like attention, go figure!)
2. They blew up an abandoned APC with an Anti-Tank rocket (destroying enemy equipment...standard fair)
3. Soldiers gave advice on what to film (Apparently the reporters don't know everything happening all the time, and it's his job to get the good pictures...)

This seems all very normal to me. In all honesty, it sounds more like someone has a bone to pick with CNN and concocted with story, leading the naive audience along, painting a picture of the evil, biased, propaganda-filled American media which set up staged battles for fun...

Actually, I think it says more about that German TV channel than CNN. They aired 15 minutes of nothing, with a misleading story...

[Daz]

In times of war, there is almost no objective reporting. Just yesterday I heard from our reporters in Kurdistan, that the US troops expelled few reporters. The ones in Kuwait are also being shown what they needed to see, with absolutely no freedom of moving.

This is of course understandable, cause you cannot have journalists running around your def/offensive positions with satelite phones.

Same applies to the Iraqis. Think about it.

Before, and after the war....another story...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Unthoughtful? At least I put a little more thought that "piss off"

You wouldn't want me to be more thoughtful when I'm in a bad mood and somebody is pissing me off. It's for the better of everyone...

Hmm.....You detect an oh-so-subtle way of dragging it out into the forums, but you don't even realize it

Does this make sense at all?

Look: You were acting like a tw4t, I treated you like one, and you got angry. Deal with it.

Then to further dig yourself a hole, you drag it out in public.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Daz
In times of war, there is almost no objective reporting. Just yesterday I heard from our reporters in Kurdistan, that the US troops expelled few reporters.

This is true.
The US had strict rules for reporters who were there as embedded reporters. The US expelled a few of those for breaking those rules, which jeapordized operational security. CNN covered this, by the way.

The US did not expell any unilateral reporters. If you'll recall, Iraq was the one doing that...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Daz
This is of course understandable, cause you cannot have journalists running around your def/offensive positions with satelite phones.

Same applies to the Iraqis. Think about it.

Think about what you are saying.

Iraqi journalist. 'Report what Saddam wants or die.'

Most other journalists. 'Not like in Iraq.'

Some lucky few journalists. 'Free to say what ever the hell their publishers will print or broadcast.'

[FrustratedPoet]

Asher: Have you actually seen the 15 minutes of film you're talking about?

No? Didn't think so....

I haven't seen it either, and I guess that your version of events is probably closer to the truth than Daz's, but nevertheless it seems odd that you would attack his interpretation of the footage without even having seen it yourself.

Like I said, I'm inclined to believe Daz is just trolling, but I'm certainly not going to argue about it if I haven't had the chance to forge my own opinion of the footage in question. To do so seems silly.