Mutual Respect

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


Okay well then go after racist people in general.

Of course -- but for this thread in particular, I'm talking about military officials and soldiers who want respect, but won't give respect back to those who deserve it.

[Ted Striker]

Oh okay understood.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Oh okay understood.

It's really simple -- you demand respect, give respect in return.

[Boris Godunov]

Giving respect to armed services personel--or anyone, for that matter--should come based on their individual merits as human beings, not on their group affiliation. I am not obligated to respect a homosexual who is a blatant racist just because he's a homosexual, nor should I be disrespecting a soldier because he is in the military, and the military has a policy with which I vehemently disagree.

Not respecting the policy is sound, not respecting the soldiers is not sound. No, you shouldn't respect homophobic soldiers, nor racist or sexist ones, etc. But saying you won't respect soldiers as a group is no different than someone saying they don't respect homosexuals as a group because some are nasty, rotten people.

If you want to show your displeasure for DADT, and actually have the possibility of bringing change to the policy, I think summarily not respecting any soldier is not a good way to do such a thing.

[Worthingtons]

While Equality for all is great, there are times you have to draw the line, and with the Army this is one of them. Many people in the Army are not intelligent (many are of course, but probably more are not) hence them joining the Army. They cannot appreciate that shoe shiners are normal (some struggle to grasp the concept of equality at all) , and trying to impose this on them will not help.


Shirt lifter's cannot really be compared with blacks either. One's ethic origin is a genetic specification, but it's one's own choice whether they want to pack fudge or not. Most people have by now understood that Race is something we're born with, it makes not a jot of difference to most things, and one doesnt have to explain thier colour. Many people however, still do not understand why one actually chooses to be an Uphill gardener, and hence there are going to be morale problems with both the Hetro's and the poo pushers.

[alva]

It's really simple -- you demand respect, give respect in return.

Are you sure, it's not the other way around ?

you give respect, get respect back.

[Ted Striker]

Rothy,

Don't know what the hell you just said but I liked that slang.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Rothy,

Don't know what the hell you just said but I liked that slang.

See, MrFun, here we have examples of two individuals who have earned disrespect. But don't use that judge their entire group (which I am presuming to be something on a par with homo neanderthalensis)

[Ted Striker]

You just need a counterweight for that chip on your shoulder, Boris.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Giving respect to armed services personel--or anyone, for that matter--should come based on their individual merits as human beings, not on their group affiliation. I am not obligated to respect a homosexual who is a blatant racist just because he's a homosexual, nor should I be disrespecting a soldier because he is in the military, and the military has a policy with which I vehemently disagree.

Not respecting the policy is sound, not respecting the soldiers is not sound. No, you shouldn't respect homophobic soldiers, nor racist or sexist ones, etc. But saying you won't respect soldiers as a group is no different than someone saying they don't respect homosexuals as a group because some are nasty, rotten people.

If you want to show your displeasure for DADT, and actually have the possibility of bringing change to the policy, I think summarily not respecting any soldier is not a good way to do such a thing.

I agree -- homosexual racists are not deserving of respect. And I agree that soldiers and officers who are not homophobic deserve respect.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
You just need a counterweight for that chip on your shoulder, Boris.

You may find encouraging of the childish use of slurs amusing, but as the recipient of said slurs, I do not.

I don't have any chips on my shoulder, either. After all, I'm not the one repeating unsubstantiated slander against a president who left office 3 years ago out of a deranged, irrational hatred of him.

[Ted Striker]

One might think you would enjoy giving a blowjob to our former president.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I don't have any chips on my shoulder, either. After all, I'm not the one repeating unsubstantiated slander against a president who left office 3 years ago out of a deranged, irrational hatred of him.

I hope this quote doesn't come back to haunt you in 2007...

...or, heaven forfend, 2011.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ted Striker



One might think you would enjoy giving a blowjob to our former president.

Considering how often I've seen Bush spooge on your chin, I'll be sure to ask you for some pointers on servicing a Presidential member, mkay?

[Worthingtons]

Boris, i have found you to be a very decent person here (hence my vote for yous some time back in that hall of fame milarky) but you are too sensative in regards to 'slurs' as you call them. Not long back you took offense to being called Queer, when most homosexual's consider this normal. It's understandable that you're sensative about this issue tho, just wish you were you more chilled about it.

Cheers
Matt