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  • Mutual Respect

    You know, with all the protests by some Americans against this war in Iraq, veterans and other pro-war Americans are demanding that we all need to respect our military officers and soldiers fighting for our country.

    However, many homosexuals believe that for military officials and soldiers to demand respect, the respect has to be mutual. So as far as I'm concerned, homosexual Americans have no obligation to respect those who disrespect us -- even during this war.

    Don't tell me that the ridiculous "don't ask, don't tell" policy gives people equality in the military. If heterosexuals can be comfortable in expressing themselves as heterosexuals, we homosexuals are entitled to the same. "Don't ask, don't tell" is just another name for double standards.

    Now only that, but the military also squanders its own human resources by evicting those avowed homosexuals who WANT to serve, and have a career in the military.

    And about the argument that allowing avowed homosexuals in the military would lower morale?? White supremacists used to argue before and during the Civil Rights movement, that military integration with blacks would lower the morale of soldiers.

    Once integration became the policy it became a social norm, over time, for blacks and whites to interact with one another in the military. The same thing would happen, over a period of time, if we allowed avowed homosexuals to serve their country through the military.

    So in the meantime, as long as military officials want to squander their own human resources, and force double standards on us through the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, I don't see why homosexual Americans should respect those who do not respect them.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    Have you made a post, ever, which was not in some way about homosexuals?
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    • #3
      Yes, I have.

      But I don't think it's unusual for a gay man to have interests in equal rights regardless of sexual orientation.

      Before my last post about "flamboyant heterosexuals" it had been months, if I recall, before I created a separate thread on homosexuals.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #4
        I like what Chris Rock said about gays in the military:

        "I think they should allow gays into the military. Why? Cause I ain't gonna fight."


        ACK!
        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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        • #5
          MrGay,

          So you are going to disrespect those grunts out there risking their lives because of a POLICY.
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #6
            I see nothing wrong with the don't ask, don't tell policy.

            baby steps. eventually people will be more enlightened

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            • #7
              and should gays shower and sleep with other men?

              Or should they shower with women? If so, then you can say I'm gay

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ted Striker
                MrGay,

                So you are going to disrespect those grunts out there risking their lives because of a POLICY.
                No -- I'm just going to thumb my nose at the military and government officials who are responsible for this double standard.

                And the soldiers who have no say in the policy, but are homophobic? Why give them respect that is not due to them?
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrFun
                  And the soldiers who have no say in the policy, but are homophobic? Why give them respect that is not due to them?
                  Cause at the end of the day they're just doing their jobs.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #10
                    In order to get some respect, you must
                    a: deserve it
                    b: give it

                    respect isn't some automatic right...
                    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker


                      Cause at the end of the day they're just doing their jobs.
                      Maybe there are blacks out there who would give racist grunts the same respect they give to other soldiers, but to me, that does not make sense.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        MrFun: What a wierd nick name you have! Have you never heard of truth in advertising?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          Have you made a post, ever, which was not in some way about homosexuals?
                          He posts about the Civil War a lot, too.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MrFun And the soldiers who have no say in the policy, but are homophobic? Why give them respect that is not due to them?
                            Homophobic soldiers should be criticized for being homophobic, as all homophobes should. However, they still are fighting for us. They deserve respect for that.

                            What you are saying is like saying that Bill Clinton shouldn't deserve respect for a good economy because he cheated on his wife. The two things are unrelated.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MrFun


                              Maybe there are blacks out there who would give racist grunts the same respect they give to other soldiers, but to me, that does not make sense.
                              Okay well then go after racist people in general.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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