Which countries constitute "Old Europe", anyway?

[TheBirdMan]

Originally posted by Monk
While we're at it, does anybody know why the Danish government would send a submarine to assist the coalition in a campaign of desert warfare? It's a serious question.

No replies are also a kind of answer..........

[OliverFA]

Re: Which countries constitute "Old Europe", anyway?

Originally posted by Monk
Aznar in Spain is a huge Bush fan and the Danish government has even dispatched some troops (that you'll never hear about). Does this make these countries New Europe or rather not-so-new-but-not-that-Old Europe-either?

Spain is something in the middle. The government (and the people who vote it) is clearly New Europe, but the oposition and the people who destroys our streets in the name of "peace" is Old Europe. Very Old Europe in fact. They still live in 1936. They still believe that the USSR will "save" them (someone please! tell them that the USSR doesn't exists yet!) I hope that New Europe continues to govern in Spain, because things go much more better since then.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Didn't the Spaniards send (among other forces) a submarine too to retake that rock near the Moroccan coast (forgot the name), captured by no less than 12 soldiers?

No, we didn't send a submarine. And by the way, the Perejil Island is ours.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I didn't know they sent a submarine for Persil Island. I thought they only thumped their chest.
What does the Spanish army look like ? I heard it sucks, but it is pure hearsay, and I have no reliable info on it...

The Spanish Army is OK but too small
I suppose that we can thank the military budget cuts for it

[Traianvs]

Bolstered by support from Benelux, Switzerland, and Austria.

It's Belgium, not Benelux, last thing I heard was that the Netherlands are a bit in favour of the war, nio?

[TheBirdMan]

Up to this war, I believed "Old Europe" was all nations, that had existed for sereval hundred years under the same name.........

Exactly where in the timeline to "drawn a line in the sand" - I can't tell.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by OliverFA
And by the way, the Perejil Island is ours.

That's why I said "retake". Leila island, Ceuta and Melilla are still Spanish, just like Gibraltar is British.

Concerning the sub, a quick web search didn't bring any evidence indeed, so I'm inclined to believe that I didn't remember it correct. Anyway, it was an incident ways too small to be bothered.

Still, the Spanish used overwhelming force. BBC writes of no less than five warships to expel a couple of soldiers, while an African site provides some photos of the Spanish hardware and soldiers, among them this hottie.

[alva]

Now that's an occupying force I could live with
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Old europe, new europe...it's europe !!!!

[Der PH]

Oh, I women in uniform!

[Dr Strangelove]

Re: Which countries constitute "Old Europe", anyway?

Originally posted by Monk
Now, it's easy to imagine "New Europe" as the Eastern European nations in support of the campaign, but did Rumsfeld or whoever invented the term ever bother to define the golden oldies? France, Germany, those are no-brainers, but are Russia and Sweden "Old Europe" too?

Aznar in Spain is a huge Bush fan and the Danish government has even dispatched some troops (that you'll never hear about). Does this make these countries New Europe or rather not-so-new-but-not-that-Old Europe-either? I don't really like the war but there are American exports at stake here.

In his novel "Brave New World" Huxley refers to the European region as old and tired. Perhaps this is what Rumsfiled is referring to. Any day now you can expect the American "New World Order" to divide up the world into regions to be governed by appointed directors.
Do your girls have their Malthusian belts yet?
Are you an alpha or a beta? I don't think there would be any reason to allow the others to use the internet, do you?

[Guynemer]

Criminy, it's right there... don't understand why I can see it, but others can't... try this (with a few more updates):

[TheBirdMan]

Is that the map they use in american schools when teaching young students where their european great-great-great............... grandpa or grandma came from ?

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by OliverFA
some photos of the Spanish hardware and soldiers, among them this hottie.

Thanks for the picture Sir Ralph That's very kind of you!