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  • #151
    Originally posted by notyoueither
    Asssuming they have the right multistory building.
    The marines were taking fire from the building for about 3 hours, I think they'd know by then.

    Not that this matters, in the slightest, for this discussion because arty would get the wrong building too if it was reported incorrectly by marines...
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    • #152
      No, actually Asher. A competent ground force would have called in arty on the bad guys pretty quick.

      It's a matter of calling in coordinates.

      However, if one were ordered not to...
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      • #153
        Originally posted by notyoueither
        No, actually Asher. A competent ground force would have called in arty on the bad guys pretty quick.

        It's a matter of calling in coordinates.

        However, if one were ordered not to...
        Yes, the USMC is all incompetent because they didn't use arty when you thought they should.

        That they didn't shows not only that they're incompetent, but that it's a conspiracy as well.....

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        • #154
          Originally posted by notyoueither
          No, actually Asher. A competent ground force would have called in arty on the bad guys pretty quick.

          It's a matter of calling in coordinates.
          How is this different necessarily for an air-strike?

          I was under the impression that you could call in coordinates for an air-strike as well. Silly me.
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          • #155
            Or maybe to save civilians they were supposed to let the air force loose on them with 2K bombs. That would have fixed em!
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            • #156
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              Or maybe to save civilians they were supposed to let the air force loose on them with 2K bombs. That would have fixed em!
              What? The 2K bombs are more precise than the shells.

              And since when did the Air Force do this strike, I thought Marine Harriers did.
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              • #157
                Originally posted by Asher

                How is this different necessarily for an air-strike?
                Arty is much closer to any given unit of ground pounders than air support is.

                Besides which, it usually does more good.

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                • #158
                  Originally posted by notyoueither
                  Arty is much closer to any given unit of ground pounders than air support is.
                  What does that have to do with anything?
                  The Harriers apparently weren't too far away, they were there pretty damn quickly once an air-strike was ordered...
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                  • #159
                    Originally posted by Asher

                    What? The 2K bombs are more precise than the shells.

                    And since when did the Air Force do this strike, I thought Marine Harriers did.
                    No. AAMOF, air ordanance is almost never as exact as it's proponents would have you believe.

                    The point is that Arty can be directed rather exactly. The fly boys are a loose canon, and always have been. Who the heck knows who they will bomb?
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                    • #160
                      Originally posted by Asher

                      What does that have to do with anything?
                      The Harriers apparently weren't too far away, they were there pretty damn quickly once an air-strike was ordered...
                      Bull. Any unit under direct threat could have had arty on the threat much sooner than those fly boys came in.

                      Why didn't they call in arty?
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                      • #161
                        Originally posted by notyoueither


                        Arty is much closer to any given unit of ground pounders than air support is.

                        Besides which, it usually does more good.

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                        The question is what is plugging your ears - apparently Canada doesn't have Marines, or they don't do what US Marines do - which is base their entire infantry doctine on having CAS on call, in less than five minutes. They don't have to fly the aircraft in from somewhere else, they're loitering on station, waiting to have targets assigned. Marine air support is generally faster than Marine arty. In the Army, it's the other way around, and not even close.
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                        • #162
                          Originally posted by notyoueither
                          Bull. Any unit under direct threat could have had arty on the threat much sooner than those fly boys came in.

                          Why didn't they call in arty?
                          What the hell? Really?

                          1) They know infinitely more about this than a History-major Canadian
                          2) They didn't need Arty at the exact ****ing moment
                          3) A bomb is simply more effective

                          No one can answer that question, and you know it, you're just being a tw4t.
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                          • #163
                            Originally posted by notyoueither
                            The point is that Arty can be directed rather exactly. The fly boys are a loose canon, and always have been.

                            JDAM accuracy: 10m
                            155 accuracy: 50m

                            10m < 50m

                            Hence, the weapon with 10m accuracy is more accurate than that with 50m accuracy.

                            Both work by feeding coordinates and hitting "Go".
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                            • #164
                              Canadians plug our ears in anticipation of pissing you off.

                              I doubt that air can ever be brought down as fast as arty.

                              The Marines themselves may be expert at it. However, tonight did not seem to indicate that fact.
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                              • #165
                                nye, go to bed. Please...
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