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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ozz
    Nothing unusual here, accidents kill and destroy more
    aircraft and crew than the enemy in most conflicts.
    (WW1, WW2 fer sure)


    So all Saddam has to do, is give the allies some more choppers to win this thing ?
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    • #32
      "Gun ships"? WTF?

      In what perverse world are Sea Kings and Sea Knights "gun ships"
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ozz
        Nothing unusual here, accidents kill and destroy more
        aircraft and crew than the enemy in most conflicts.
        (WW1, WW2 fer sure)
        Source?
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        • #34
          As Joseph said, the crashes are probably a result of the age of the helicopters in question, not a problem with helicopters in general.
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          • #35
            These copters are mostly crashing due to problems with airborne sand getting into the engines and other moving parts, or eroding the rotor blades.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Static23
              These copters are mostly crashing due to problems with airborne sand getting into the engines and other moving parts, or eroding the rotor blades.

              That's a bit of a stretch. 2/3 of the copter crashes occured right after takeoff, from a ship, over water...
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              • #37
                Crash? It was a collision. Human error.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Asher


                  That's a bit of a stretch. 2/3 of the copter crashes occured right after takeoff, from a ship, over water...
                  Airborne water particles then?
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                  • #39
                    Sea Kings...

                    It won't surprise me if these things cause more non-urban casualties than the actual war.

                    The Sea King is a large, difficult aircraft prone to sudden, unexplained mechancial failures.

                    Also, flying any bulky transport helicopter in war conditions (or any conditions for Sea Kings) is probably the most difficult thing a human pilot has to do in this modern age. They wobble, they shift weight....it's damn hard.

                    I would feel more safe in a Chobham armoured M1A2 firing at a T-72, or at 20 000 in an F-15C blowing up AAA, then I would in a 30 year old Sea King on a routine supply mission.

                    The stats show which activity is more dangerous.
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                    • #40
                      As Asher said, the Sea Kings aren't "gunships." The AH-64D Apache that made a "hard landing" is. A genuine helo gunship is one of the most pwerful conventional weapons around. In many Third World countries they make all the difference in jungle combat. IIRC, it was an Apache that fired the first shot of Gulf I.
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                      • #41
                        Russia's number one gunship at the moment: the Mil Mi-28
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                        • #42
                          Looks like an Apache rip-off...
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by paiktis22
                            LOL
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
                              Quick search on Google says that 17 helicopters were lost in Gulf War I but whether any of them were accidents I don't know...
                              Only one was shot down, an unarmed medevac bird from the 101 ABD. The others were lost to accidents of one kind or another.
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                              • #45
                                Sea Kings have been around a while. Then again, they have a job to do, and they do it effectively. It's tried and tested technology- the fact that two were crashed into each other is scarcely an indictment on their reliability.

                                As far as reliability goes, they're a step up from Chinooks.
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