Coalition grows. Old Europe still pouting.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Kramerman


I fail to see how refusing to agree to treaties that not just dont further your interest, but actually harm them make a country untrustworthy.

But in all those things you've mentioned, did Bush even once offer to discuss it with other bodies? No. Maybe there were some valid reasons for not going along with them, but there was never any attempt to gain concessions and compromises that might might suit all parties involved, just a unilateral refusal to abide by them. In the case of the land mine deal, I'm sure if they had agreed not to use them in future campaigns that you wouldn't have had to dig them up in Korea.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Lincoln
There are two ways to look at the hate-America thing:

1. America is hated because we do not bow down to the demands of an envious world that would like to see us humiliated. (Just as many here would dance in the streets if we lost this war.)

This is ridiculous.

We are the ones being humiliated. We are the ones being reminded of how weak we are. We are the ones being told, again and again, that America don't really need us at all, that we are just minions to its cause.

We were attacked about a year and a half ago. There was no warning and the weapons used were available because of our open society.

Yes, the world showed its sympathy. But that sympathy was squandered.

We can either give up our open and free society or we can go on the offensive like we are doing now. If you don't live here then you really do not have a voice in the matter. After it happens to you then let's see what your nation decides to do about it. Will you do nothing because France or some other nation refuses to go along?

I'm not talking about doing nothing. I'm talking about the tact that goes into it.

Bush is not Bill Clinton. Get used to it.

That is the tragedy of your country and of the Pax Americana.

[Drake Tungsten]

We are the ones being humiliated. We are the ones being reminded of how weak we are. We are the ones being told, again and again, that America don't really need us at all, that we are just minions to its cause.

This is ridiculous.

[Ted Striker]

Bush is not Bill Clinton. Get used to it.


That is the tragedy of your country and of the Pax Americana.

Yes, it was under Clinton's watch that terrorists built up their infrastructure. It was Clinton who eroded international support by firing off cruise missles after getting a blowjob.

It was Clinton who gave Al Queda confidence by failing to go after the terrorists and using half measures.

Bush may be abrasive but he is the right man for the job.

[Lincoln]

Bush is no diplomat but he gets the job done. France tried to humilate the US. That is their problem. While Bush was sending diplomats all over the world to get the required votes France was calling all nations to support their threatened veto regardless. France is just as guilty as Bush. But you cannot expect the United States to be held hostage by a vindictive nation that is fueding with the US.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
This is ridiculous.

Not at all, this is how many people are percieving the signals being sent by Washington. You just refuse to acknoweldge it. Your administration seems to just need the rest of the world in order to provide a market for your goods and services. Anything else is irrelevant.

[Lincoln]

Actually I think you will see Bush softening his tone after this war.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Actually I think you will see Bush softening his tone after this war.

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not holding my breath though.

[Drake Tungsten]

Not at all, this is how many people are percieving the signals being sent by Washington. You just refuse to acknoweldge it.

I know many people perceive the situation in that way. It doesn't make it any less ridiculous, however.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Actually I think you will see Bush softening his tone after this war.

I agree.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Not at all, this is how many people are percieving the signals being sent by Washington. You just refuse to acknoweldge it.

I know many people perceive the situation in that way. It doesn't make it any less ridiculous, however.

So what? Your country is the greatest proponent of democracy and mass media. Well, guess what? You failed to use these correctly and now they're working against you.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's not our fault most of the world's population is ignorant...

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
It's not our fault most of the world's population is ignorant...

So what? They exist. We're working on them. Are you?

[Ted Striker]

How are you "working on them?"

[ranskaldan]

You mean you haven't noticed yet?

Oh yeah, the Security Council approved the war on Iraq 15-0! Yeah, I forgot, sorry.