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  • #46
    The UN is a joke. What difference does it make who "they" kick out? The United States and Great Britian effectively told the UN to go to hell anyway. A new UN needs to be formed without the veto authority of a few select nations. The opinions of all nations need to be counted not just the powerful ones.

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    • #47
      World government won't succeed until countries are willing to give some of their authority up.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #48
        I'm tempted to start the DL dance just for the sheer stupidity of this thread.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Stuie


          Dude, what don't you understand. Listen:

          TIBET WAS A SOVEREIGN NATION prior to being forcibly annexed by China.

          Would you defend the US if we annexed Cuba and suppressed the right of the population to self determination?
          tibet sovereign?
          so was the confederacy until you quelled the rebellion

          btw, i am not a 'dude'. and, stop listening to r. gere...

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          • #50
            I don't recall the Confederacy having 2000 years of history and centuries of existence as an independent nation.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Lincoln
              The UN is a joke. What difference does it make who "they" kick out? The United States and Great Britian effectively told the UN to go to hell anyway. A new UN needs to be formed without the veto authority of a few select nations. The opinions of all nations need to be counted not just the powerful ones.
              Reminds me of the Polish parliament in the 18th or 19th Century when to have something done, all 500 members had to unaminously agree on it. Unsurprisingly that never happened and the Russians beat them up.

              Having all 200 UN countries involved in the decision process would be foolish to the extreme. What chance would you ever have of gettting things done? Even the UN GA requiring just 2/3 majority to pass a resolution would still be unsurmountable for real-life decisions.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
                I don't recall the Confederacy having 2000 years of history and centuries of existence as an independent nation.
                but you recall the US having 2000 years of history?

                you can make a case for tibetan independence all day long, but legally it is a part of china. ask your government about it...

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                • #53
                  Russia of course has always been a great respecter of legality. Legally Hungary had a right to make its own independant choices, Oh well
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                  • #54
                    LaRusso: get real man.
                    The freedom of the western world has poisoned your brains. You're not able to think clearly!

                    Or you have played to much civilization and you see the world as one big game.
                    "Look, on the map! It's ony country! It has the same color!"

                    next thing you're going to say is: "You can abandon a city legally (= kill all people in it) as long as it's your own city!"

                    Sovereign territority....
                    that means that if you keep invaded countries long enough you do legally own them?
                    Thus, if we, The Netherlands invade Belgium, and we can surpress them for 150 years, after that we can do with them whatever we want, because they're our personal toys?
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by LaRusso


                      okay, alternatively, look at the map of china. is there a tibet in it? you do the math
                      According to my map, the US and Iraq are the same colors. Is this a civil war then?
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by CyberShy

                        Sovereign territority....
                        that means that if you keep invaded countries long enough you do legally own them?
                        Thus, if we, The Netherlands invade Belgium, and we can surpress them for 150 years, after that we can do with them whatever we want, because they're our personal toys?
                        That would appear to be the crux of his argument.
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                        • #57
                          Maps show the West Bank territories as part of Israel too.

                          So the Palestinian problem is solved!

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                          • #58
                            We should tell Bush that all he needs is a map of the world, and the microsoft-paint fill-tool!
                            Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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                            • #59
                              In 1941 maps showed lareg parts of Russia as part of Germany, was that legally theirs
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by LaRusso
                                kuwait and iraq and everything else are mostly artifically divided by the leaving british.
                                The Mid-east was set up by the Allies and Arabs after
                                WW1 (1920) by a international meeting in bagdad chaired by W. Churchill.

                                It is NOT just a British construct, It is an Arab, British,
                                Italian, French compromise on what to do with the
                                Ottoman empire.

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