The War Has Started!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Is there a difference between an atrocity commited by a uniformed soldier and a terrorist?

No, but every act committed by a terrorist is an atrocity. Not every act commited by a uniformed soldier is.

Or maybe, I should take to disliking people who wear blue shirts and blow them up. That would be good. Civies, blowing up other civies is not good form. No matter how justified you think they are.

[Master Zen]

So does the Israeli government!!!

DUH!

(this is like the umpteenth time i've gone through this terrorist debate in the last couple of months)

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

I hate you all for make me read a 9 page thread in so little time

Anyway I'm just sad because today, our only international organization that could solve problems between nations in a pacific way has died by the american and british hand.

Let see if Blair & Bush comes with some new idea to rebuild the UN... yeah right

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No. A terrorist is a piece of excrement who skulks around in civies trying to kill civilians, rather than confronting uniformed forces who could defend themselves. They are the worst form of vile creatures.

Do not insult those who confront soldiers in rebellions by associating them with such vermin.

Oh great, those guys blow-up apartment buildings in several Russian cities, took just-born children, their mothers and doctors as hostages (like it was in 1996) or took hundreds of people who came to watch misical hostages (Nord-Ost musical tells you about something?) And their "military" leadership, their so-called president called this as "unique military operations". No, those guys freedom fighters, how anyone dare to call them terrorists?

[Ming]

I think some people need to chill...

Having opinions is ok... but it's how you say them that might get you banned...

So just chill and tone it down.

[Master Zen]

The Sanctions against Iraq. Are they targeted to the Iraqi leadership? Noooo. They are targeted at the Iraqi people, over one million mostly women and children have died. Is that not an atrocity commited through legal means?

[Drake Tungsten]

The UN was killed by France and Chile! They are the real threat to international peace! We must not let them destroy the international legal regime through their arrogance!

[Ted Striker]

Another poor example. Saddam has built several mult-billion dollar palace complexes during the whole time the sanctions have been in effect so don't even try and blame it on the US.

He could have spent that money on his people.

[JCG]

Yes, it seems like that "Saddam" is either a double or that's just tape made in the last 48 hours "just in case"....No way to know for sure though...

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ming
I think some people need to chill...

Having opinions is ok... but it's how you say them that might get you banned...

So just chill and tone it down.

Personally I have no inconvenience with how this debate is going along (even though I have practically the entire forum against me ). There are no personal insults or attacks. (so far...) As far I think, it's a pretty sane discussion about a very hot topic.

[Ted Striker]

Master Zen it sounds like you are affected by all sorts of propaganda. Only difference is that the stuff you are buying into, you think is right.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Don't bring me that crap Drake.. Chile's resolution was accepted by Blair and Chirac, it was the only resolution "in the middle" to keep the peace and solve the problem avoiding the war, but Bush dismissed in just a couple of hours. Is a shame that your president is commited to war and not to peace... what a leader

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Serb


Oh great, those guys blow-up apartment buildings in several Russian cities, took just-born children, their mothers and doctors as hostages (like it was in 1996) or took hundreds of people who came to watch misical hostages (Nord-Ost musical tells you about something?) And their "military" leadership, their so-called president called this as "unique military operations". No, those guys freedom fighters, how anyone dare to call them terrorists?

No, they are terrorists, Serb. And Russia enjoys my full support in going after them where ever they hide out.

If some former republic hides them, go get 'em! Bravo. Neither they, nor the regimes that hide them are legitimate.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Master Zen


When exactly did Russia voluntary give Chechnya independence? If I don't recall it was because they lost the first war...

Chechnya declared independence along with the other former Soviet republics. However, Chechnya itself was never itself a Soviet republic; it did so unilaterally. However, it remained autonomous for the most part up until '94, when the crisis escalated.

Fact is, the Chechen rebels didn't help themselves by capturing Russians and threatening to execute them on television. Or by calling out for Muslim martyrdom.

If both sides could have been a little more cool-headed, maybe some negotiations and concessions folowing could have been made at the table, with Chechnya receiving at the least, more autonomy; as long as it let us keep our interests over the oil pipelines.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Master Zen




BTW, is it just me, or did Saddam look like a fake double in his latest speech?

Maybe those fifty cruise missles with a bunker buster follow up did their jobs, after all (hopehopehope).