The War Has Started!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Master Zen
I suggest you re-read the UN charter if you have not done so before affirming the contrary.

I suggest reading the relevent UNSC resolutions on Haiti where they give thier seal of approval to the violent overthrow of the military regime and the restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

[Gangerolf]

propaganda: the mannerheim line eh? the winter war is such a proud part of soviet military history.

you certainly live up to your name

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't use the terrorist thread as an excuse for your own imperialist ambitions, my fellow Russians, since that makes you people no better than the US.

What about Mexican aggression in the Chiapas region? Long live the Zapatistas!

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I suggest reading the relevent UNSC resolutions on Haiti where they give thier seal of approval to the violent overthrow of the military regime and the restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

exactly. the UN has done such things in the past, i don't know why it had to think twice about it this time.

/me ignores public opinion

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Propaganda
I personally feel that with the US clout over the UN and the world, there really is no hope for both.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS!

Ummm... ?
Haven't recent days shown that the US doesn't have that much clout over the UN?
And there have been more posters here (not that they necessarily constitute a representative sample ) opposing the US than there have been supporting it, which would tend to indicate that they don't carry as much clout over the rest of the world...

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I suggest reading the relevent UNSC resolutions on Haiti where they give thier seal of approval to the violent overthrow of the military regime and the restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

Read Article 7 again. It says this will not apply if the Security Council approves it. The SC approved the Haiti overthrow but has NOT approved this one. Hence it is illegal in the whole sense of the word.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Master Zen
No offense but compared to the atrocities Russians commited during the 2 chechen wars, they pale in comparison.

Don't use the terrorist thread as an excuse for your own imperialist ambitions, my fellow Russians, since that makes you people no better than the US.

I don't understand this. We gave them independence, they used it to justify terrorism on our country. They provoked us. What were we supposed to do? Sit on our hands?

BTW, the fact that there are are 2 Chechen wars should tell you something.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Don't use the terrorist thread as an excuse for your own imperialist ambitions, my fellow Russians, since that makes you people no better than the US.

What about Mexican aggression in the Chiapas region? Long live the Zapatistas!

There has not been any insurrection since 1995. Many of the mostly-indian municipalties in that state are semi-autonomous. They never asked for indepence either, just an end to injustice commited by government paramilitary groups.

Chechens are an entire different ethnic group than the ruling class of the country which oppresses them, and they want independence. The same does not apply to the Zapatistas. Plus, Marcos, the leader of the Zapatistas is NOT indian.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by ravagon


Ummm... ?
Haven't recent days shown that the US doesn't have that much clout over the UN?
And there have been more posters here (not that they necessarily constitute a representative sample ) opposing the US than there have been supporting it, which would tend to indicate that they don't carry as much clout over the rest of the world...

Come on, let me have my fun.

[Ted Striker]

RUSSIANS, get your own thread.

Whow wants to take bets on whether Tariq Aziz defects or not? I am saying there is a 60% chance he will defect. He could be an important figure in post-war Iraq. If he knows what's good for him he will get the hell out of dodge when he gets the chance.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Propaganda


I don't understand this. We gave them independence, they used it to justify terrorism on our country. They provoked us. What were we supposed to do? Sit on our hands?

BTW, the fact that there are are 2 Chechen wars should tell you something.

When exactly did Russia voluntary give Chechnya independence? If I don't recall it was because they lost the first war...

[Drake Tungsten]

There has not been any insurrection since 1995. Many of the mostly-indian municipalties in that state are semi-autonomous. They never asked for indepence either, just an end to injustice commited by government paramilitary groups.

Chechens are an entire different ethnic group than the ruling class of the country which oppresses them, and they want independence. The same does not apply to the Zapatistas. Plus, Marcos, the leader of the Zapatistas is NOT indian.

You actually believe this Mexican propaganda? You should find some unbiased news sources...

[Timexwatch]

I'm watching the tube now, and apparently there have been several developments:

1) There's been a big push in Afghanistan with over 1000 82nd Airborne troops.

2) Saddam is going on television in several minutes

3) There has been reports of artillery fire along the Kuwait border...

[Timexwatch]

Ted:

Tariq Aziz hasn't been, to the best of my knowledge, accused of any crimes other than being Saddam's tool. I think that if there is some sort of reconciliation committee like in South Africa, Aziz could be an excellent resources in finding out 'where the bodies are buried' so to speak.

Also: Kudos to Fox News for picking up Sky News broadcasts.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
propaganda: the mannerheim line eh? the winter war is such a proud part of soviet military history.

you certainly live up to your name

EVIL FINNS! WHY DO YOU RESIST?

Oh well, next time, we'll make sure to do it right.