Well, we're going to war, so POST AWESOME MILITARY PICS

[Pekka]

I prefer 7.62 too. Well I don't have any experience with 5.56, only 7.62.. it has a nice feeling to it too. I woudln't have it any other way if I could choose. 7.62 all the way man!

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Sorry but I have to laugh at some of the folks in this thread complaining about having to see the ugly face of war on this thread whilst they **** over the very ordnance responsible for those deaths...

I really find it difficult to countenance that some of you get kicks from glorifying death and destruction - somehow I don't think you'd be singing the same tune if you were on the other end of it...

There is a time and place to enjoy a piece of hardware going BOOM! And frankly this isn't it!

Grow up and get a conscience!

You can have a respect for the power and awe inspiring presence of some of these weapons, and not be glorifing death or war. but whatever. We are just all sick bastards, i guess

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Pekka
I prefer 7.62 too. Well I don't have any experience with 5.56, only 7.62.. it has a nice feeling to it too. I woudln't have it any other way if I could choose. 7.62 all the way man!

I've fired a 7.62 in semi- auto fire... definately a confidence booster. But, I'd hate to fire it full-auto, at least until i get a little more muscle. The M-4 I fired tho was amazing. The kick of a single 5.56mm round was practically non-existant, almost nothing more than a .22 round. And it was surprisingly handleable in full-auto too.

[Tattila the Hun]

Hey, where are the pictures?

I saw a picture of a... Spanish civil war, I think, where a soldier is killed by gunshot as the picture is taken. Won a prize, I think.

[Pekka]

7.62 hardly kicks at all too. It kicks a little, and I haven't used any smaller so I couldn't know.. but I could imagine they won't kick practically at all. It's harder to shoot full-auto naturally, it tends to rise a bit, but once you get the hang of it, it's not that big of a problem.

[jolair]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
Hey, where are the pictures?

I saw a picture of a... Spanish civil war, I think, where a soldier is killed by gunshot as the picture is taken. Won a prize, I think.

Do you mean this one?

[jolair]

It was made by Robert Capa. The man is Federico Borrell GarcÃa (just only one of the almost 2 millions spanish anarchists in those days).
You can see the moment he died, 5th september 1936 in Cerro Muriano (Cordoba, Spain). The picture was published in "Picture Post" (an english publication) on december 1938.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Kramerman


You can have a respect for the power and awe inspiring presence of some of these weapons, and not be glorifing death or war. but whatever. We are just all sick bastards, i guess

My point is that there is a time and a place to get a hard on about military hardware, hey I like the stuff as much as the next man and my visit to the USS Missouri last year will always hold a special place in my heart...

HOWEVER!

NOW, is not the time and place for it!

This thread is paying homage to the very weapons that right now are starting to blow innocent victims to shreds, tearing them limb from bloody limb and destroying families - it strikes me as the height of irony that some people on this thread can't take the sight of pictures showing the effects of these weapons they worship so much!

If you don't think it's sick and bad taste to post this thread right now then consider what kind of reaction a poster might have got if on the day of 9/11, they decided to post their 'Top ten tower block demolitions' pictures on a thread???

You talk of respect - have some respect to those that are about to die in the name of 'regime change'...

[Spiffor]

Disclaimer
This is a deliberately poor taste post. IMO, it matches the poor taste of this thread. It is intended to let the "shiny weapons" people understand what they are doing. I still hope some will stop and think for a few seconds before flaming me.

A technology to behold :


Spectacular colours :


How noble it looks in the sky :


Solid workmanship


Go boys !

ssssssSSSSSSSSSS.....ka BOOM!

Good God! Is that one real?

Originally posted by Kramerman
You can have a respect for the power and awe inspiring presence of some of these weapons, and not be glorifing death or war.

Are you still so sure, now ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Disclaimer
This is a deliberately poor taste post. IMO, it matches the poor taste of this thread.

You could have put a better picture next to my post if you insisted on quoting it.

[Spiffor]

As an immediate answer to my previous post, I want everyone to know that I am not a Sept. 11 apologist. It was a dreadful crime comitted against innocents by a cowardly organization. my previous post shows a clear lack of respect to Sept. 11 victims, and this lack of respect in no way matches my views. It is just pure provocation for people to understand.

The admiration / glorifications that took America so many lives may probably hurt more than one American on this board. It is the purpose. The purpose is to understand how a victim of weapons would appreciate a thread full of "Awesome pics" of the very weapons that killed or crippled his brethren.
Either you're consistent, and I have posted "cool pics" in my above post, or you are inconsistent and say I am an *******. In all cases, I posted pics on par with the "cool pics" of American / Israely weaponry : current weaponry and warfare, cool explosions, embellished pictures of these things.

Does anybody here get my point ?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Does anybody here get my point ?

I do...

Assuming it doesn't get me banned...

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Either you're consistent, and I have posted "cool pics" in my above post, or you are inconsistent and say I am an *******.

I don't understand how it would be inconsistent for me to call you a ******.

[Spiffor]

It would be consistent if you disagree with the sickening display of instruments of death before my post as well. My post follows the exact same logic than the other posts showing "cool pics" of military hardware and explosions. It targeted the authors of such posts.
This is not the logic I like. I just wanted to show how it hurts, and how poor taste it is.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Kramerman

Yes, the AR-10 is what you were thinking of.

The M-14 was dropped because the M-14 was a lot heavier both in itself, and its ammo was about twice as heavy... i wouldnt mind tho, because one 7.62 could take a man down where as multiple 5.56 might be needed. Also, because of its very powerful rounds it was very hard to keep under controled while using automatic fire. To do this effectively it had to be fired while prone and using a bi-pod. The M-16 adn its lighter round however can be fired automatic relatively under control .

The early model M-14's fired 30-06 bullets (truely powerful rounds), but the .308 (7.62) winchester was developed with modern propellants to be shorter, but almost as powerful due to the use of modern propellents, adn therefor weighed less, so more ammo could be carried by a soldier.

Well, my question about the choice of the M16 over the M14 was somewhat rhetorical. I've humped and used the FN, M16, and (on occasion) the AK-47 as well as SMG's of various manufacture so I'd say I have a pretty good idea of these weapons good and bad points.

The americans virtually forced the adoption of 7.62 within NATO since they used that ammo for the M14. Shortly thereafter, the US reversed course and changed to the .223/5.56 which nullified the whole idea of a single ammo calibre for NATO.

Sure, you can carry more .223 ammo than 7.62 and .223 allows easier automatic fire. My point was really aimed at why the US army chose to change in concept from single aimed shots to (random) autofire. I think there is ample evidence from a comparison of the combat effectiveness of the US marines (who maintained the concept of marksmanship) vs US army to suggest that single aimed shots are more effective. General Puller certainly thought so.