Bush Speech Thread

[Felch]

For after the war

If America doesn't claim Iraq's oil, will the leftists who claimed it was all for oil admit that they were full of ****?

And if America does go back on its promise, will the hawk do likewise?

I think this is important. People have said a lot of things, and I'm tired of folks forgetting all the nasty horrible things they said once they were proven wrong. I remember a lot of doves were saying that Afghanistan would be a bloodbath for the Americans, and were wrong. Did they ever admit it?

[Inverse Icarus]

America wont just take the oil. they'll set up a deal with the new Iraqi regime.

That oil will do more for their country than any aid package we set up.

[Sava]

For the record, I wasn't against the military action in Afghanistan.

[faded glory]

"Well, let's be honest here Troll, the terrorists hate us for legitimate reasons, despite the fact they are d1ckless 4ssholes"


Werent you one of those retards who thought Bush had something to do with 9/11 ?

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


The peace is far higher risk than the war...

Well at least we agree on that part. I wouldn't want to try and manage the mess. Of course I wouldn't want Saddam to manage it either so therein lies the dilemma. I'll wait and see what happens. I make no predictions here.

[Sava]

Werent you one of those retards who thought Bush had something to do with 9/11 ?

mmm not quite... I thought that there were good amounts of data indicating such a terror attack, but the intelligence failure was on a massive scale. Bush wasn't responsible. In fact, I've been one of the people pointing out how ****** said people are.

If you're going to stereotype me, at least get it right

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I am certain that Bush would eventually invade sometime down the line, possibly in a few months. Likely for reasons of so-called "Al Queda infiltration" or something equally Orwellian.

Why? Because you hate Bush so much that you think he's gonna kill everyone if he has the chance?

What is the 'new' country he is going to invade, btw?

I have come to the conclusion that this war has nothing to do with terror, and everything to do with hegemonic assertion. So Sadaam has little to do with the equation, other than to provide a conveinant demon to rally the American people around. If you disagree, then I'm afraid we have simply reached an impasse my friend.

Also, I do not hate Bush at all. I don't think that he himself is an intrinsically evil man as perhaps some do, I think he is a rather simple man who has been unfortunately misled. That is really one of the great tragedies of all of this. I don't think that Bush means to throw the world into a great cataclysm, and in fact, I am fairly certain that Bush himself is probably well-meaning in many of his actions. I cannot say the same of all the members of his staff, but I digress. Bush is a human being just like any other, and as such, is as deserving of love and forgiveness as any other. However, that said, I do greatly fear what his actions will bring upon the world.

[Ming]

Originally posted by faded glory
Werent you one of those retards who thought Bush had something to do with 9/11 ?

You are one insult away from also sitting out the war.

[JCG]

Saddam won't be there in 48 hours....IF he has anything ressembling a brain, which I think he does.

Sadly, the rest of the population of Iraq will still be there

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

The US would be imposing its will on the territory and people of Iraq, given that they would not reasonably be able to set up a legitimate government in the time between exile and entrance of US forces.

No they wouldn't. They would be keeping things stable while the Iraqis set up their own new government. Since when is peacekeeping a form of conquest?

Since when is peacekeeping accomplished without the consent of those who have the peacekeepers watching over them?

That's peacemaking and is a form of conquest, in that arms (or the threat of arms) are used to impose your will on others.

Jesus. Is English your first language, Drake?

If the Iraqi government invited them in and then defected en masse, or if the opposition was somehow able to miraculously put forth a credible government "in 30 minutes or it's free", then it would be peacekeeping. Otherwise it's invasion and peacemaking...followed by peacekeeping.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I have come to the conclusion that this war has nothing to do with terror, and everything to do with hegemonic assertion. So Sadaam has little to do with the equation, other than to provide a conveinant demon to rally the American people around. If you disagree, then I'm afraid we have simply reached an impasse my friend.

I disagree 100% and think you've missed the boat. I believe this war has to do with US interests, but hegemonic assertion isn't it.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Sava
Well, let's be honest here Troll, the terrorists hate us for legitimate reasons, despite the fact they are d1ckless 4ssholes. In conjuction with eliminating terrorist threats and increasing security, we should seek to stop the practices that inflamed these fanatics in the first place.

I dont necessarliy agree. Perhaps some do, but predjudice is not a justified or legitimate reason. My name is Bruce Karl Cronkite. I have never personally harmed any "terrorists" But they would have no problem attacking me and my family. I dont rape and torture fellow Americans such as some of the Iraq goverment officials are doing.

I dont build weapons of mass destruction or try to attack Middle Eastern citizens.


Terrorists do attack American and International Citizens.

As for Practices that "Inflame", we could debate that over and over, we support Govt. "X" who is against this terrorist Regime or Organization.

I, nor you, have all the answers. I agree that the U S has engaged in some "questionable" practices. But we still dont do what terrorists do, engage in cowardly unprovoked attacks.

Shame, but an aggressive act such as President Bush is leading, is exactly what the Terrorists need to show them that we are NOT lying down and taken it anymore!


Peace

Grandpa Troll

[faded glory]

"You are one insult away from also sitting out the war."


You wouldnt!?

You made me sit out the last two in balkans and afghanistan!

[Ming]

Originally posted by Frogger
Jesus. Is English your first language, Drake?

Discuss the issues... NOT THE POSTERS.

[Sava]

IMO: this war is mostly about Bush and a vendetta against Saddam. It has little to do with freeing people and instituting Democracy. Some of our "allies" are just as oppressive as Iraq.