Bush Speech Thread

[Ned]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
AFAIK, what GWB did - demanding a regime change - is illegal. That is, it violates international law. If you support this, you don't have a defensible position in accusing Iraq.

Like Roosevelt violated international law when he made Germany's surrender unconditionally.

Get real, UR. The problem we have today is caused by exactly this kind of muddled thinking. We left Saddam in power in '91. That was the mistake.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Frogger
Powell has said the US was invading no matter what. Why is this unbelievable?

The only difference is that with Saddam gone the invasion would be unopposed; what he called "the peaceful application of force" (I'm paraphrasing, since I do not recall the exact words).

This makes sense. Essentially Saddam leaves and the new government surrenders. We end up in charge without firing a shot. Iraq is diarmed and the Iraqi people are freed.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


America has become the Nazi-Germany for the modern era......

Therefore as of today, all my american flags have been properly dealt with

It is really sad to see someone who believes their own propaganda.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sava
Then hate the Republicans, not Americans... there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops overseas. I'm probably the biggest Bush-hater around, but I've also got two buddies in the Marines. I'll fly my American flag high, despite the fact some dumbass president is tarnishing it.

Sava, when Clinton was doing his thing in Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo, I supported Clinton. I did not pull some Democrat chicken****, "I support the troops." The Democrats have been doing this sort of crap since the Gulf War. It is crass and unworthy to be called patriotism.

[Dis]

at least Ming could have gave this thread a better title. I was playing BG2 at the time. I'm too far behind on this threat to post on it. Pretty funny stuff about Libya up above though.

[Dis]

and who is Ellestar?

I become suspicious of settlers posting in off-topic.

P.S. who do you think will win the war?

[Kramerman]

AFAIK, what GWB did - demanding a regime change - is illegal. That is, it violates international law. If you support this, you don't have a defensible position in accusing Iraq.

Originally posted by Ned


Like Roosevelt violated international law when he made Germany's surrender unconditional.

Get real, UR. The problem we have today is caused by exactly this kind of muddled thinking. We left Saddam in power in '91. That was the mistake.

really International law is a joke, and everyone knows it. People just use it to their adavntage and their advasaries disadvantage (ie the UN). The only real law in the current world society of nation states is the law of the jungle, unfortunately.

We kicked Saddam's ass in '91, he agreed to certain conditions. Hes failed those agreences, and instead of kicking his ass immediately, like we should have, we have given him several years. The bastard's time is now (finally) up

Kman

[KrazyHorse]

The world hasn't heard much from the little moron since then, has it?

Lockerbie.

[Lincoln]

quote:

"I've stated numerous times I love this country."

Right. And so does Saddam. Who do you double minded people think you are kidding. You will be dancing in the streets if we lose this war. You are in love with your own hatred for everything American.

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

After we thumped Qaddafi and his planes stopped trying to play with us, and he gave up on that "line of death" joke, our aircraft carriers left because they'd done their jobs and kicked Qaddafi's sorry little ass back in line. Guess what? The world hasn't heard much from the little moron since then, has it?

Oh no, wrong... He is in charge now. It's just your press that didn't bother to tell you. I will tell you a little secret...

Moammar Gaddaffi officially supported the US-in their war against terrorism, and he also paid compensation to terror-victims families. Libya was put under UN sanctions for almost a decade, and Gaddaffi probably realized that he had to negotiate.
Most UN countries accepted his compensation and lifted blocade, but US did not. They demanded an official confession of guilt in the terrorist acts. Well, nothing was really proved.

Nowadays Gaddaffi is funding his oil-money to African countries,
and the businessmen there in an effort to build a EU-style african union. He has another agenda these days.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I say it again, those who think this war is about oil are smoking something.

Of course as someone once noted, if Iraq's chief's export to the world was kumquats instead of oil, we wouldn't be in this situation today.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Sava, when Clinton was doing his thing in Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo, I supported Clinton. I did not pull some Democrat chicken****, "I support the troops." The Democrats have been doing this sort of crap since the Gulf War. It is crass and unworthy to be called patriotism.

I didn't support any of the military action in those places. Patriotism is supporting the ideals of freedom and democracy, and effectively wishing the best for our troops and cheering for them. Theodore Roosevelt said something... I'll paraphrase:
[It is not unpatriotic to go against the president if he does not follow the will of the people or the ideals and spirit of the constitution.]

So Ned, with all due respect, I'll listen to Teddy instead of you

[Sava]

Originally posted by UberKruX


it's basically like saying "i don't think what they're doing is right, but i hope they don't die doing it"

and cheering when they return safely from foreign battlefields...

Tass: you quoted stuff from other people in your response to me

You know what's just as bad as calling Americans, Nazis? It's the stupid assertions that people against the war are unpatriotic and want to see heavy casualties just to gloat. I can't think of anything more despicable than suggesting that people who support peaceful solutions really want to see massive death and destruction. Such assertions have lost all rational, logical arguments and are just flaming.

I hope this war goes quick, and ends with minimal casualties. Actually, I hope there are only 3 casualties. Saddam and his dumbass sons. Hope springs' eternal I suppose

[gunkulator]

"Actually, I hope there are only 3 casualties. Saddam and his dumbass sons."

If the Iraqi leadership has any brains, they'd offer the three of them up on a silver platter on day one. The only person more stubborn than Bush in this whole fiasco is Saddam. He could be enjoying his millions on a Libyan beach in peaceful reitrement and no one would give a flying fig.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by gunkulator
If the Iraqi leadership has any brains, they'd offer the three of them up on a silver platter on day one. The only person more stubborn than Bush in this whole fiasco is Saddam. He could be enjoying his millions on a Libyan beach in peaceful reitrement and no one would give a flying fig.

saddam's an egoist, he just wants to be remembered. which makes this whole fiasco that much more dangerous.