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Much better.
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Better than the Bush admin's ""If there is a 1% chance of peace, we must make a 100% effort to destroy that chance".
That approach is more logical. Cause while your arm-chair diplomats are talking abotu flower power and inspections, Saddam's troops are digging themselves into the center of the earth knowing the whole things a joke.Comment
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You did not include Jules Verne in your news sources report...“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Verne is more credible in comparison.Comment
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Nice...dont respond to my points. Go back a few pages and talk about something else.
Go wave your red flags hippies, see if the people who matter pay any attention.I hate hippies I shoot them with my paintball gun.Comment
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You're so rugged.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Points? Which ones?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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It really makes me sad to read that. How come the Americans consider Germans and Frenchs (and the rest of the world, by the way, not counting Spain and a couple of Eastern European countries) as enemies just because they won't back a war that isn't justified in their opinion?Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The question isn't whether France or Germany will help rebuild Iraq, but whether or not the US will allow them to. I for one hope that we don't allow our enemies anywhere near Iraq...
That is dangerous black-and-white-thinking IMHO.
I think that Europe should help the US with the rebuilding of Iraq.
But if they don't want our help I won't mind.
BTW: The US won't ensure deomcracy in Iraq. The Iraqis probably would elect a muslim fundamentalist who would turn the country into another dictatorship (an even more dangerous one since Saddam at least isn't a muslim fundamentalist).
Installing democracy in Germany after WW2 only worked because their ideology was completely destroyed as well. They knew that they had also lost in terms of morality so they didn't oppose the Americans but tried to adapt the new system.
In contrast to that, the Iraqis dislike, if not hate, the West (because of the sanctions, because of the Palestinian problem, because the different religion and culture) and they won't cooperate with the West.
So the new government will definitely be a dictatorship, too."Cogito Ergo Sum" - Rene Descartes, French MathematicianComment
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The question isn't whether France or Germany will help rebuild Iraq, but whether or not the US will allow them to. I for one hope that we don't allow our enemies anywhere near Iraq...
You would rather the Iraqi people recieve food, clothing, and water from only one source as opposed to many?
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Tass: Didn't you know, that I was up to spend money through the Red Cross out of pure greed? I wanted to secure rich oil and reconstruction contracts this way
. Good that Uncle Sam watches over us 
and won't let me commit this atrocity.
The Americans, OTOH, are up to bomb Iraq and slaughter thousands of civilians out of pure love for peace and democracy
. They aren't greedy not a bit.
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Tass: Didn't you know, that I was up to spend money through the Red Cross out of pure greed? I wanted to secure rich oil and reconstruction contracts this way . Good that Uncle Sam watches over us and won't let me commit this atrocity.
The Americans, OTOH, are up to bomb Iraq and slaughter thousands of civilians out of pure love for peace and democracy. They aren't greedy not a bit.
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It really makes me sad to read that. How come the Americans consider Germans and Frenchs (and the rest of the world, by the way, not counting Spain and a couple of Eastern European countries) as enemies just because they won't back a war that isn't justified in their opinion?
That is dangerous black-and-white-thinking IMHO.
There's a huge difference between not backing a war and actively opposing the US on it. France and Germany stopped being our friends months ago and are little better than Russia, China and Syria in my book. When you actively oppose the US, you make yourself our enemies...Last edited by Drake Tungsten; March 17, 2003, 16:45.KH FOR OWNER!
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You would rather the Iraqi people recieve food, clothing, and water from only one source as opposed to many?
There'll be many sources of aid, not just the US. There are other nations in the coalition of the willing and humanitarian NGO's will be allowed in as well. There's no need to let the French and Germans in...KH FOR OWNER!
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Also, just imagine what the French and German would be saying to the Iraqi's? They would be formenting an anti-American revolution.
Drake is right. One cannot allow the enemy on the ground to conduct or forment revolution and hate.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Guess it's time then to pull out our peacekeepers out of Kabul too. Let the yanks clean up their mess themselves.Comment
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