Post-War Iraq: Should we help?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Osweld


I thought we where talking about Iraq here... one of the most modern and progressive nations in the region (not that that's saying much), and a place that will soon be ruled by the US military, or whichever enterprising dictator they think they can trust.

Just look at Saudi Arabia or Israel to see how much peace and freedom USA support brings.


Iraqis have lived under repression and will continue to live under repression, a few interludes of bombing and war isn't going to help their situation any.


EDIT: To emphasize my point, and to keep on topic : I don't think Iraqis will be grateful towards anyone in this war, and they are going to be pretty pissed off with the west in general (I do not think they will differentiate between france and the USA, they are all playing games with them and deciding their fate). Rebuilding their homes after you blow them up isn't going to make them feel any better.

Actually, you don't seem to get or watch American news channels. The Iraqi opposition has made many appearances on TV. They all say they they will remember the people who helped them liberate their country.

I would sincerely doubt whether the Iraqi's will even entertain bids from French and German companies.

Aside from this, I understand the US is willing to commit billions to help rebuild Iraq from 20+ years of Saddam. Those contract should largely go to US companies, IMO.

I only hope that Bush keeps the UN out of Iraq. Otherwise, we will see the usual hash of things. Money will line the pockets of UN bureaucrats as they "decide" who gets the contracts.

Actually, come to think of it, I'd like to see just how much Blix has made off of being kind to Saddam.

[faded glory]

"Hardly. The situation in Afganistan is pretty much ****ty. "


Where have you been? What have you been watching? Where do you get your news? Wage-Slave? Judiast priest, you and your kind are so brainwashed on these issue's by Leftist Propaganda. Provide some proof things are '****ty'. I dont see any, I see afghan's rebuilding, I see on AP reports of thousands of militia coming out of the mountains and disarming and warlords meeting at the Loya Jirga next year. I see the king Zahir Shah and Karzai saying reconstruction is going at a good pace and that there is relative peace at the moment. I dont see afghanistan as a Terrorist Base anymore...Do you? I dont see mass-executions the Taliban used to keep people in-line. I dont see women slaves anymore....

So stfu. Either you guys are just trolling or you truly believe this stuff. In case of the latter, I feel really bad for your ignorance on the subject. And Im more than happy Bush isnt listening to you on the Iraqi issue. You have shown your true colors, the colors of anti-american/ anti-freedom

[HershOstropoler]

You forgot ia Hekmatyar and co in that rosy picture.

[Bereta_Eder]

Actually the one who lives in a media censorship is you.

[faded glory]

"You forgot a Hekmatyar and co in that rosy picture."

Oh yes, the mouse that roared..but is afraid to bite.


"Actually the one who lives in a media censorship is you."

Ya right...CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, AP, Rueters.... real news! Real Censorship!

What do you watch on one of your 3 channels? Greek Public radio live on TV?

[Bereta_Eder]

Pretty much all of the american media have fallen pretty much in line. Thus the censorship you're under.

I get both american and european chanels.

[Drake Tungsten]

The question isn't whether France or Germany will help rebuild Iraq, but whether or not the US will allow them to. I for one hope that we don't allow our enemies anywhere near Iraq...

[faded glory]

Oh and another thing for the spineless cowards in Europe who think Saddam can be contained... You dont contain him, WE (US & UK), DO. We Pay upfront, we keep thousands of troops in the region, We patrol the No-Fly Zones, We enforce sanctions. Not You! France left the table long ago...YOU dont have any say in it. They arent your troops, it isnt your billions of dollars.

[HershOstropoler]

"CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, AP, Rueters"

So you get all your news from "Fantasyworlds r us".

[Bereta_Eder]

But it IS our planet.

And we don't want your dollars or planes.

[Bereta_Eder]

FOX in particular is very underestimated as a major entertainment source.

[HershOstropoler]

I was addicted to FOX when I could recieve it. Needed my 10 minutes fix daily.

[faded glory]

"But it IS our planet. "

That is an ignorant way of looking at the world...


"And we don't want your dollars or planes."

You wont get them, and we dont need you. So get out of the way.

[faded glory]

puhllleasse.


"Fantasyworlds r us".


Oh speaking of fantasyworld r us. How about germany "If there is a 1% chance of peace, we must have 100% effort"

All of a sudden Shroeder is a true Ghandi!

What a joke! ...."Inspections not war"!

[HershOstropoler]

Better than the Bush admin's ""If there is a 1% chance of peace, we must make a 100% effort to destroy that chance".