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What do you mena by "what has he done"? Do you mean what has he done to make himself be invaded, or what has he done to his people or country?
The first is why we're invading him.
The second is why we should be.
Fair enough?"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James NapierComment
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No.Originally posted by AnnC
Laz, given the strength of your convictions, are you going to take action? I.e. join the armed services and participate in an invasion of Iraq?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil FinlandComment
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Does Amnesty Internation support US military action (virtually unilateral) to remove Saddam?"When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay MelchettComment
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ramo the US could do a lot more if it wasnt yelled at every second it was there by ppl screaming anti imperialism at the top of their lungs. ur right it takes longer than what we will probably spend. but only out of compromise. because imperialism is a surprisingly effective catch phrase. ppl hear it and its like insta protest.
and I don't make idiotic generalizations. there are a very few # of protestors who know **** about ****. the vast majority are simply marching under "iraq civilians will die" or the US is a meanie. it'd be a massive generalization to go the other way and say that all the protestors are in the least educated or have thought it out in any significant non infantile way.
my direction is simply taking the statistical majority and making an observation.Comment
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Sorry it was Iraq, Saddam even visit the Hosp. were some of our sailors were taken.Originally posted by Oerdin
The Stark was hit buy a Iranian fighter jet which fired a French made exiset missile. The Iranians claimed they thought the Stark was an Iraqi oil tanker.Comment
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Thank you. Like I said after reading all of these, anyone of us should shoot this man. Its to bad we will not get the chance.Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
You know, I've never been under any illusions concerning how well-informed Apolytoners are, but some levels of crashing ignorance baffle me.
Want more of these reports? There's loads. The Ba'athist regime is monstrous.Comment
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If anyone is under the impression that is about liberation, democracy, and freedom, they are incredibly ****ing naive.
This is bad history repeating itself. We are not interested in liberation anymore than we were in the 60's when we helped Baaths drive out Kassem."Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.Comment
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Laz:
How about we send an Amnesty International "letter" to the regime.
If anyone is under the impression that is about liberation, democracy, and freedom, they are incredibly ****ing naive.
Among many other things, and with varying degrees, it is about that.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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We were probably thinking the same way back in '63, and what resulted was a bloodbath of ethnic and religious reprisals, spurred on by the Baaths.
The difference between authoritianism and "liberation" thru martial law looks like two sides of the same coin to me. Our idea of spreading democracy reminds me of what Henry Ford said about the Model T: " They can have any color they want, as long as its black""Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.Comment
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I am sorry, but when I see all these "look how horrid Saddam is..hate him, hate him.." I get sick.
Oh yeah, Saddam is the only brutal dictator in the world, the only one that kills innocents, the only one that tortures..blah, blah, blah.
In 1941, hitler was certainly doing thins just as 'creative" with human pain, yet on Dec 6, 1941, 70% or more of American swould have said..Go to War? hell no!
Do you guys hate the Leadership of the Hutu militias who slaughtred 1,000,000 directly (I am not counting those that died in wars..most of the people we claim Saddam is fully responsible for killing died in the Iran-Iraq war, a war with two sides. Peace could have been had after just a few years, before the Iranins under Khomeini decided that beating back Saddam was not enough..that they sought regime change, and thus the war goes on until 1988 and not 1982-3) in 3 months? yes, I will save the endless posts about suffereing, about people hacked to death, packed into churches and burned, or the story about how all the dogs of the country had to be killed cuase they were getting fat of corpses. A few of them are on trial now in Kenya..but I have never ehard anyone profess hatred for them. Hell, in the Us we don't even know their names.
Oh, and what about regimes like the Usbekistan regime, one of our new great allies with a cult of personality just as bad, no, worse than Saddams in which people are disappeared and so forth? Do you guys hate them?
Give me a f*cking break! Saddam is a barbarous, criminal butcher, no doubt..but the reason Americans' "hate" him have little to do with that, as it is clear we are more than willing to overlook such things when other issues are at stake. All the bastard commentator today screaming about how Bad saddam is: same azsholes that in 1994 were arguing how Rwanda was not "genocide", but something else, and hence the US and UN had no obligations to do anyting about it.
I f*king hate such hypocrasy!
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its depressing that u expect us to do everything about everything or nothing. kinda extreme dont u think? how about when our morality and our interests coincide that u allow us to take a stand?
instead of spitting some inane hypocrisy talk at us. when in reality ALL THESE things moraly outrage u and u do absolutely nothing about any of them.Comment
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This isn't a reason to go to war. If you like, I can post equally monsterous things done by agents of the United States. We know he's a monster. That's not why we hate him.Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
You know, I've never been under any illusions concerning how well-informed Apolytoners are, but some levels of crashing ignorance baffle me.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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chegitz ur so missing a matter of scale. yes the US isnt pure and innocent. but to compare the US gov't w/ saddam hussein is showing a complete and total lack of perspective and scale.Comment
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That's a great reason we should go in, and not just sit back because we think the government's motives are not as pure as the driven snow.In 1941, hitler was certainly doing thins just as 'creative" with human pain, yet on Dec 6, 1941, 70% or more of American swould have said..Go to War? hell no!No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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