Rugby - Crouch and Hold!

[Havak]

I wonder if there's an American equivalent.

There are no equivalents anywhere to a ‘hand raised’ Melton Mowbray Pork Pie.

The hand raised part refers to the pastry not the Pork by the way.

Just testing to see if you're awake.

I'm sure I was a half back in another life.

Yes, for sure – but in the style of Mehrts or Wilko I wonder?

Lentils? Can I stick with the Pork Pie?

So Tamerlin plus Havak back England. Finbar backs Ireland. Any more bids?

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
There are no equivalents anywhere to a ?hand raised? Melton Mowbray Pork Pie.

I have to concede that your country is the only place to find a decent Pork Pie.

The hand raised part refers to the pastry not the Pork by the way.

Which only goes to prove the old adage - tightheads should always leave the gags to the half backs!

Yes, for sure ? but in the style of Mehrts or Wilko I wonder?

Mmmm. I'm going to have to think about this one. Braver than Mehrtens, I wouldn't flee to full back when we're defending; not as brave as Wilkinson; more devious than both. Mmmmmmmm. This is going to take a lot of thought. I'll get back to you.

Lentils? Can I stick with the Pork Pie?

You haven't had properly braised Puy lentils. Suggest to Mrs Havak she whack them on the menu. Better still, nip across the channel, slip on the nose bag with Tamerlin at his Mum's place when she's doing them.

So Tamerlin plus Havak back England. Finbar backs Ireland. Any more bids?

Mmmmm. Apathy reigns.

BTW, I'm about to educate Tamerlin in the finer points of Civ MP. The SH strikes back!

[Havak]

I have to concede that your country is the only place to find a decent Pork Pie.

We had to have something we could do well. Most imitation products use Ham not Pork. Useless bit of trivia for you – the meat in a Pork Pie should be grey and not pink.

Which only goes to prove the old adage - tightheads should always leave the gags to the half backs!

Not forgetting the complimentary adage “but they lack the sense to do so”?

This is going to take a lot of thought. I'll get back to you.

My suggestion would be Phil Bennet. Tenacious in attack and defence with a neat side step in the armoury. And retired.

Better still, nip across the channel

Excellent suggestion. Was there something about Lentils too?

BTW, I'm about to educate Tamerlin in the finer points of Civ MP. The SH strikes back!

Out of interest what Civ are you? Tamerlin is clearly France?

Dangerously on topic but I finally had a quick blast with CTP2 the other week (with the sole Activision patch applied). As busted as it is (and it looks like it shipped Alpha) I rather like it – vastly more character than I personally found in Civ 3 if with a very passive AI. I must download some mods.

Of course I’ll have to get broadband at some point I suppose – to get whipped as Civ MP.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak


We had to have something we could do well. Most imitation products use Ham not Pork. Useless bit of trivia for you ? the meat in a Pork Pie should be grey and not pink.

You mean the colour of everything my mother used to put on the plate for me to eat? Gotcha.

Not forgetting the complimentary adage ?but they lack the sense to do so??

Of course! Otherwise they wouldn't spend half their lives having their ears cauliflowered by other people's cauliflowers!

My suggestion would be Phil Bennet. Tenacious in attack and defence with a neat side step in the armoury. And retired.

I'm thinking more of someone ... dazzling.

Excellent suggestion. Was there something about Lentils too?

Lord only knows what you do for roughage in your diet! Smiths Crisps, presumably.

Out of interest what Civ are you? Tamerlin is clearly France?

Actually, I usually play the Aztecs, but supply my own city names. I like the yellow colour, it's easy to see. Tamerlin finished up playing the Babylonians. He said he either plays the yellow civ or the Babs but I beat him to the yellow one. I was surprised - I thought he'd grab the French. The delicious irony is that we're playing with a couple of AI civs just for fun - and the French are making his life misery!

Oh, and we've just knocked off after 2 1/2 hours of a very pleasant game while you were slaving over a hot keyboard!

Dangerously on topic but I finally had a quick blast with CTP2 the other week (with the sole Activision patch applied). As busted as it is (and it looks like it shipped Alpha) I rather like it ? vastly more character than I personally found in Civ 3 if with a very passive AI. I must download some mods.

I've never played anything other than Civ 2. Having heard nothing but complaints about Civ 3, I didn't bother.

Of course I?ll have to get broadband at some point I suppose ? to get whipped as Civ MP.

Indeed, as in rugby, as in Civ MP.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
We had to have something we could do well. Most imitation products use Ham not Pork. Useless bit of trivia for you – the meat in a Pork Pie should be grey and not pink.

I have never eaten a pork pie but I have already heard songs or jazz tunes about it, something like "Pork Pie Hat"...

Excellent suggestion. Was there something about Lentils too?

Come across the channel and I would ask my mom to prepare some...

Out of interest what Civ are you? Tamerlin is clearly France?

No, I am usually playing Egypt or Babylonia, as I was not afforded the possibility to choose Egypt I am playing the Babylonians...

Dangerously on topic but I finally had a quick blast with CTP2 the other week (with the sole Activision patch applied). As busted as it is (and it looks like it shipped Alpha) I rather like it – vastly more character than I personally found in Civ 3 if with a very passive AI. I must download some mods.

CtP2 is IMO the best Civilization like game around... if you download the Super Apolyton Pack v2.0 I can send you the unit Updater2 (along with other modifications I find necessary) I have adapted for the SAP 2, an essential addition to the game as you will see. The SAP 2 is mainly CtP2 as it should be, no modification of the original game concepts and a stronger AI.

Of course I’ll have to get broadband at some point I suppose – to get whipped as Civ MP.

We would be two... I think I will get my a** kicked the hard way...

[Havak]

Mmmmm. Apathy reigns.

Very disappointing given it’s the biggest game before RWC. After all everyone already knows Aus and NZ are good sides – but Ireland have not faced a test like England yet. France, with respect to them, misfired totally in Dublin. England should prove how good Ireland really are.

You mean the colour of everything my mother used to put on the plate for me to eat? Gotcha.

You mother used to feed you finest cured Pork? Lucky Finbar.

spend half their lives having their ears cauliflowered by other people's cauliflowers!

It’s an attractive look isn’t it.

I'm thinking more of someone ... dazzling.

I was actually paying you quite a compliment – he partnered Edwards at Fly Half in that Welsh side we discussed recently. He was dazzling. Nice lad too. Met him on the Lions tour.

Smiths Crisps, presumably.

Yup. Still going as a brand although bought out by Walkers (part of Pepsico). Still quality crisps.

and the French are making his life misery!

You really must not deliver feed lines like that – must resist obvious jokes…

while you were slaving over a hot keyboard!

Or had a walk in the sunshine to get my tour haircut – nice and short so the Guiness washes out easy.

Having heard nothing but complaints about Civ 3, I didn't bother.

It sold shed loads. Some people on the forums loved it. It left me cold. Civ by numbers – it’s way or the highway.

I wonder how well the PTW expansion sold?

Indeed, as in rugby, as in Civ MP.

Oh. I didn’t realise I could play as Aus or NZ.

something like "Pork Pie Hat"...

Sounds like a picnic and rain hat all in one.

Come across the channel and I would ask my mom to prepare some...

Some day I’ll take you up on that.

The SAP 2 is mainly CtP2 as it should be, no modification of the original game concepts and a stronger AI.

Cheers – I’ve downloaded SAP and will give it a crack after my weekend.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
The delicious irony is that we're playing with a couple of AI civs just for fun - and the French are making his life misery!

How can you trust frog eaters?

Oh, and we've just knocked off after 2 1/2 hours of a very pleasant game while you were slaving over a hot keyboard!

Yes it was a really pleasing session though I will certainly fail miserably at creating a real civilization... I have to learn the game again, I even forgot to build a settler just after my first defender...
I had also forgotten a unit that was not in a fortress in the radius of one of your city would produce a discontent in the city it was built in...

I've never played anything other than Civ 2. Having heard nothing but complaints about Civ 3, I didn't bother.

IMO Civ3 isn't worth the box it is wrapped in and PTW does not change anything to the gameplay.

Havak, remember you also need Modswapper 1.5 to play the SAP2 as the Super Apolyton Pack must be ran from Modswapper.

When you install the SAP2 don't forget to change the DebugSlic=Yes line to DebugSlic=No in the Userprofile.txt file you will find in the C:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\ctp2_program\ctp folder. If you don't do it the game gets buggy in the modern era... Your current saved game won't work with the SAP 2.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin
I have never eaten a pork pie but I have already heard songs or jazz tunes about it, something like "Pork Pie Hat"...

A Pork Pie is basically fat wrapped in fat. Much favoured by rugby front rowers, and the intake increases expotentially according to the years in retirement. But very tasty, nevertheless.

A Pork Pie Hat, OTOH, is a style of gentleman's hat - small crown resembling an upturned pie, with a small rim around it. Just to keep the food analogy going, and to toss a skin blemish analogy into the mix, they looked a bit like a pimple on top of a pumpkin. They were briefly in fashion in the early-mid 1960s, although retired tightheads have been seen in them from time to time, apparently.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
Very disappointing given it?s the biggest game before RWC.

I sense a conspiracy to undermine the event with an overwhelming tsunami of apathy.

You mother used to feed you finest cured Pork? Lucky Finbar.

My mother's kitchen should have been invaded by Weapons Inspectors looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction. And they wouldn't have had to look far.

I was actually paying you quite a compliment ? he partnered Edwards at Fly Half in that Welsh side we discussed recently. He was dazzling. Nice lad too. Met him on the Lions tour.

Nice lad? That rules me out.

Yup. Still going as a brand although bought out by Walkers (part of Pepsico). Still quality crisps.

They're still going here, too.

You really must not deliver feed lines like that ? must resist obvious jokes?

Listen, I work my butt off setting up lines for you - don't waste them!

Or had a walk in the sunshine to get my tour haircut ? nice and short so the Guiness washes out easy.

A one-man Baldy Army!

It sold shed loads. Some people on the forums loved it. It left me cold. Civ by numbers ? it?s way or the highway.

I was told by a number of people that it was virtually unplayable.

Oh. I didn?t realise I could play as Aus or NZ.

Obtuseness does not become you.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


How can you trust frog eaters?

Don't worry, Tamerlin, the French love me. Every time I demand tribute for my patience, they give me money. And I've extracted half a dozen good techs from them. I'll sail down, clean them out, and gift you Paris. Just to enjoy the irony!

I had also forgotten a unit that was not in a fortress in the radius of one of your city would produce a discontent in the city it was built in...

One of the perils of Republic. And you've gone into Republic very very very early in the game. It will be interesting to see how it works for you.

When you install the SAP2 don't forget to change the DebugSlic=Yes line to DebugSlic=No in the Userprofile.txt file you will find in the C:\Program Files\Activision\Call To Power 2\ctp2_program\ctp folder. If you don't do it the game gets buggy in the modern era... Your current saved game won't work with the SAP 2.

Stop it! Posting Windows garbage in these threads is the ultimate cardinal sin!

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Don't worry, Tamerlin, the French love me. Every time I demand tribute for my patience, they give me money. And I've extracted half a dozen good techs from them. I'll sail down, clean them out, and gift you Paris. Just to enjoy the irony!

You ask them a tribute and they give it... There is definitely something I have missed...

One of the perils of Republic. And you've gone into Republic very very very early in the game. It will be interesting to see how it works for you.

I think I will have some trouble to manage the Happiness level because I am not used to play at such a difficulty level... I am learning...

Stop it! Posting Windows garbage in these threads is the ultimate cardinal sin!

Sorry, but this is for the good cause... I guess an intentional fool is worth a Red Card and a several weeks long ban. On the other hand, if the referee is coming from the SH I am not risking anything...

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Tamerlin

... I guess an intentional fool is worth a Red Card and a several weeks long ban. On the other hand, if the referee is coming from the SH I am not risking anything...

I'm trying to work out whether or not this was a typo.


Back on topic for a sec (and may I just say its a sad sad day for this thread when I'm the one on topic ) - it looks like somebody in the NZRFU (assuming they administrate the NZ 7's team?) has been a bad boy.
It seems a rather controversial e-mail was sent to one of the team managers, courtesy of a Fijiian counterpart, who may or may not have been a rugby sleeper (perhaps Havak could tell us how that works? ) agent, detailing many things the FRU would have wished remained undetailed.
It seems that their team chosen for the next round contains wholly new (to the eyes of the NZRFU anyway) players, with tactical surprise being the objective.
Now the surprise may not be quite such a big one ...

http://www.planetrugby.com/LATEST_NEWS/story_26703.shtml

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


You ask them a tribute and they give it... There is definitely something I have missed...

I wouldn't have liked your chances. They're either hating you or attacking you. You'll only get tribute from an AI civ if their attitude to you is, at the very least, uncooperative, and if they're not as strong as you are.

I think I will have some trouble to manage the Happiness level because I am not used to play at such a difficulty level... I am learning...

You'll be right. Especially after I gift you the city of Paris!

Sorry, but this is for the good cause...

Sorry, anything related to Bill Gates cannot, in any way, shape or form, be deemed "good".

[Havak]

Thanks Tamerlin – I downloaded modswapper but the tip on file editing I hadn’t seen – much appreciated.

But very tasty, nevertheless.

As Finbar says – it’s not health food but it has to be tried to be believed.

Not those pale supermarket imitations – a real hand raised pie from Dickinson and Morris or if you can’t get that Walkers will do (not the Crisp Walkers – it’s a chain of Leicestershire butchers). Tuxford and Tebbit used to be the best but they no longer sell their own brand – they mass produce under contract for re-branders – damn progress!

You know I’m so enthused right now I might have to buy a 2lb Porkie to take to Dublin for the boys.

although retired tight heads have been seen in them from time to time, apparently.

Seen trying to eat them actually.

I sense a conspiracy to undermine the event with an overwhelming tsunami of apathy.

And that’s fair enough I guess. It’s only hugely important to Brits – but it is VERY important to us all the same.
Can Wales stun France in Paris. Nope.
Will Italy stub Scotland in Edinburgh? Hmm, nope. They will lose the game before they start playing.
I fly out tomorrow and will catch up with you guys Tuesday. Should England lose I can expect oodles of tea and sympathy right?

Nice lad? That rules me out.

I suspect it doesn’t you know. But heck what can you tell from posting style really? We all have a sense of humour – that is clear enough. But I like to think we are all “nice” – you included.
But then you know – ex forward so maybe when the not nice part if flying about it goes right over my head. Like most of the Intellectual content that creeps in from time to time.

Listen, I work my butt off setting up lines for you - don't waste them!

Tamerlin to the rescue on that one.

A one-man Baldy Army!

I prefer the expression ‘high forehead’

Have you ever seen a retired forward without a receding hairline? It’s a cause and effect thing.

I was told by a number of people that it was virtually unplayable.

With the latest patch it’s quite playable. There’s simply no flexibility in how you can play it. Personally I think they created a game to close all the loop holes the ‘Super’ players exploited in good old Civ 2 and forgot it needed to be interesting to a much wider audience. But you live and learn. Sid’s name on a box carries no weight with me anymore (particularly as his name seems to be all he leant to it). Reynolds still does – depending on how RoN plays of course.

Obtuseness does not become you.

Your fault really. Just jumping on a feed line. Even if I saw one where none was intended?

Posting Windows garbage in these threads is the ultimate cardinal sin!

Heh – he was just helping me out.

I hear the righteous indignation of a creative Mac user maybe?

The referee is Kaplan – god help us. Williams and Jutge on the sidelines and a Taff on the video too. We are doomed!!!

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
You know I?m so enthused right now I might have to buy a 2lb Porkie to take to Dublin for the boys.

Yeah, yeah, I can see it lasting at least until the departure lounge.

*RyanAir's cleaners go on strike rather than vacuum up after Havak's Pork Pie demolition*

Seen trying to eat them actually.

Adding new meaning to the expression - "I'll eat my hat here rather than take it away, thanks".

And that?s fair enough I guess. It?s only hugely important to Brits ? but it is VERY important to us all the same.

The tsunami just tripled in size.

I fly out tomorrow

Bear this in mind - regardless of whether you scoff the Pork Pie in the departure lounge or carry it on as hand luggage, you're up for excess baggage.

Should England lose I can expect oodles of tea and sympathy right?

Presumably Mrs Havak knows to check the scores to know whether to move to her mother's for a week?

I prefer the expression ?high forehead?

Have you ever seen a retired forward without a receding hairline? It?s a cause and effect thing.

That's true, actually. But where does it all go? You'd at least expect to see the mud choked with hair after a scrum.

Personally I think they created a game to close all the loop holes the ?Super? players exploited in good old Civ 2 and forgot it needed to be interesting to a much wider audience.

That's exactly how a friend of mine described it.

I hear the righteous indignation of a creative Mac user maybe?

Dedicated. Come the revolution, Bill Gates will be the first one up against my wall.

The referee is Kaplan ? god help us. Williams and Jutge on the sidelines and a Taff on the video too. We are doomed!!!

Kaplan the Pedant?