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  • #46
    Have you watched the video Ted?
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    • #47
      I usually consider the Guardian a quality paper despite it obvious bias, but this was really piss-poor journalism. Mountain out of a mole-hill...
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      • #48
        Haven't seen the video.
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        • #49
          Re: Rumsfeld: We don't need the UK

          Originally posted by monkspider
          He told a press briefing that the US had alternative plans if the UK decides not to go to war with Iraq.
          Such as forcing Australia to make up the numbers...
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          To protest the war I am using the UN Flag - Howard has said most Australians are for the war so clearly I am not an Aussie.

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          • #50
            Just saw an interview with a British Commander in Kuwait:

            "We're ready to go, and, frankly, let's get on with the job."
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            • #51
              Today two U-2 jets had to turn back, because the Iraqis expected only one.

              When asked about the incident, Rumsfeld said, "that's not unreasonable."

              Pretty good response.
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              • #52
                UK!
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                • #53
                  The problem with we Rumsfeld said is that it gives the impression that the US knows more about what the UK is to do than our PM. It doesn't help the accusations that we just do whatever we are told.

                  I'm sure he was trying to help, he just didn't
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                  • #54
                    That's Donald Rumsfeld.

                    A force for good.

                    He clears up any confusion in the minds of Britons as to their status.
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                    • #55
                      Blair is desperately trying to get support for his policy of siding with Washington, risking his career, and Rumsfeld says "well, I guess you won't make it Tony... but we don't need you, anyway."

                      How this is not damaging, I do not know. I was baffled when I heard Rumsie say this, even he can't be so stupid...
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #56
                        He was probaly one of those who pusged the policy in the late 80's early 90's that Germany was more important to the US than the UK. He might just not care about keeping a good relationship eith us.
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                        • #57
                          He's just an idiot with diorrhea of the mouth, Stinger.

                          But remember that he's one of the biggest policymakers in this administration (at least from what I've seen).

                          So think about how close you want to get to his position.
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                          • #58
                            So, not content with alienating almost the entire World, the Bush admin is setting about its allies???

                            WTF???

                            In talking about the possibility of the UK not participating, Rumsfeld has handed the UK opposition (which is about 80% of the population BTW!) a golden opportunity NOT to participate!!!

                            Blair is so weak at home that he can't even sack a cabinet minister that has seriously criticised his support for a war in Iraq, for fear of losing control of his party!

                            Way to go Rumsfeld - pull the wool under Blair's feet whydontcha...

                            There's thousands of British troops already concerned that the public is against this and now the US says 'we don't need them anyway...'

                            It's perhaps not a direct insult against the UK, but I can't think of a more unhelpful thing to say in helping Blair right now - it's imbecilic! He's a politician dammit - he could have dodged the question, trotted out a pre prepared stock answer or flat out lied.

                            Whilst I am not in favour of telling the world to go f*ck itself and go in all guns blazing as the US has wanted from the get go, I do realise the potential need for the future and this is so counterproductive!

                            Firstly, there is now no chance of even getting a UN moral majority - if countries like Mexico and Chile etc see that the UK might not even participate itself, why should they vote for the resolution? Why should Turkey risk her neck and reconsider her opinion?

                            Extreme US diplomatic arrogance has turned even most of her allies against her - this is the US Suez crisis...

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                            As for you donkeys bleating on about the Guardian's 'biased' reporting, look past your own bias and check out other sources such as the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2842463.stm ...

                            Better yet, watch the interview and put yourself in Blair's shoes - I would be pissed as hell if I were him!

                            F*cking amateurs!
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                            • #59
                              To put the record straight, most Brits are well aware of Mr Rumsfeld's political abilities .. and so were not at all annoyed with what was said (apart from those that like to make some issue out of this) . .I personally watched the briefing, thought Rumsfeld made a mistake, but waited for the reversal .. which followed quickly a few hours later.

                              As for the idea of the US going alone.. well, they would be fools in my mind if they had not planned for such a scenario .. what if Blair was assasinated, and somebody took over who reversed everything ?? ok, a rather hypothetical scenario, but you can't plan the removal of a dictator, and not factor that kind of stuff in.

                              There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever, that such plans will not be required, and that the US will go into Iraq to liberate its people with the British supporting them all the way to Baghdad ..

                              My advice to Rumsfeld :- if even the British are aware of your abilities in diplomacy .. you may want to think before speaking now and again !! it helps.
                              "Wherever wood floats, you will find the British" . Napoleon

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                              • #60
                                I think Britain will go in if it gets majority of the 15, but the US have here given Blair an escape if a majority at the UN isn't given and the US decide to go anyway.

                                The majority will be bought anyway, regardless of which way they vote.
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