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  • #16
    Originally posted by Arrian
    Demerzel,

    I think it's pretty clear he was talking about political considerations, not combat ability.

    Even so, as MtG pointed out, we would have been better served if he'd kept his mouth shut.

    -Arrian
    Even if you only consider the political angle, yes the US might have preferred to go the non-UN route but that is the better route to go. Blair is risking his political future on this issue by supporting the US admin. all the way.

    Then Rumsfeld stabs him in the back whilst he is busy working on getting some more votes.

    /me claps Rumsfeld.

    And finally yes, he should learn the useful quote from Mark Twain

    "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

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    • #17
      Rumsfeld's the one man doing the peace movement the greatest good.
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
      Ultima Ratio Regum

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      • #18


        Thank God. Maybe now Blair will actually listen to his voters.

        From day one, they've been shoulder-to-shoulder
        And what have we gotten in return...? Steel tariffs and all sorts of other nice goodies. We should have been shoulder to shoulder with the French and Germans on this one.
        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
        -Richard Dawkins

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        • #19
          It's possible that Blair said that he couldn't go in without a UN resolution. Perhaps there is no UN resolution in the offing. Otherwise, I wouldn't know why Rumsfeld is saying such stuff.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DanS
            It's possible that Blair said that he couldn't go in without a UN resolution. Perhaps there is no UN resolution in the offing. Otherwise, I wouldn't know why Rumsfeld is saying such stuff.
            no IIRC Blair has said a few times "that he will possibly ignore 1 or even 2 vetos of the 2nd resolution if necessary to do the right thing"

            I can probably hunt down a BBC report if required.

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            • #21
              Can I have a link please?
              "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
              - Lone Star

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              • #22
                Perhaps we don't have 9 votes, Demerzel.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  This thread is much ado about nothing. I doubt that Blair is affended.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by PLATO1003
                    This thread is much ado about nothing. I doubt that Blair is affended.
                    You should be more worried about whether the minority of people in the UK who previously supported you are offended.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #25
                      Blair's pretty on-the-ball.
                      I'm sure he knows Rumsfeld is a jackass.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #26
                        With any luck we'll be out of the 'coalition' within the week. Good thing too, I'd hate to see Britain embark on another century of imperial villainy.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Frogger


                          You should be more worried about whether the minority of people in the UK who previously supported you are offended.
                          Why would they be Frogger? As I said...Much ado about nothing.
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #28
                            heh already Rumsfeld has had to "clarify" himself...

                            From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2838593.stm
                            "Within the hour, Mr Rumsfeld tried to clarify his comments with a statement saying he had "no doubt" in the UK's "full support" for the international community's efforts to disarm Iraq.

                            He stressed: "I was simply pointing out that obtaining a second United Nation's Security Council Resolution is important to the United Kingdom and that we are working to achieve it.

                            "In the event that a decision to use force is made, we have every reason to believe there will be a significant military contribution from the United Kingdom."
                            nice...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sandman
                              With any luck we'll be out of the 'coalition' within the week. Good thing too, I'd hate to see Britain embark on another century of imperial villainy.
                              Yeah...I guess bringing stability, education, medicine and utilities to countries was a pretty bad thing for you guys.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MBD
                                Match his achievements, and then your criticism of his political skills will have more weight.
                                Some of us aren't wired in to the Democratic or Republican party for decades. Knowing the right asses to kiss is a large part of the ballgame.
                                When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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