Even the realpolitik types have had enough

[Urban Ranger]

This shows once again the GWB cabinet has no experience and/or wisdom with regards to international relations.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
2.) They can be bought.

On the flip side, that means they can made demands that needs to be met. I think Kim Jong-Il knows it.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


On the flip side, that means they can made demands that needs to be met. I think Kim Jong-Il knows it.

His demands may need to be met, but why is the US obligated to meet them?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Drake, look at the progress they made in the ten years prior to 2001. Now compare since then.

You do realize that the hardest part about developing nuclear power (for nuclear weaponry) is the beginning stages, don't you? The start-up costs are incredible. Once it gets online, it ain't all that difficult to take the next step.

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't even bother, Imran. Frogger's rather adept at ignoring any facts that contradict his position. He's not worth your time...

[NeOmega]

Yes I just herad a member of the State department has resigned, (but his position was not noted in thte broadcast, so it very well could've been the Greek diplomat) and it appears the head of foreign affairs or something to that nature is set to resign in Britain as well.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Drake, look at the progress they made in the ten years prior to 2001. Now compare since then.

You do realize that the hardest part about developing nuclear power (for nuclear weaponry) is the beginning stages, don't you? The start-up costs are incredible.

For what, building a breeder reactor? Those things aren't that expensive. Besides, you don't actually need a breeder, you can just enrich the hell out of uranium.

[Az]

I agree with Imran in this debate.

[Arrian]

Looks like this idea is catching on...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. diplomat resigned from government service on Monday in protest of President Bush (news - web sites)'s preparations to attack Iraq (news - web sites), the second to do so in less than a month.

John H. Brown, who joined the U.S. diplomatic corps in 1981 and served in London, Prague, Krakow, Kiev, Belgrade and Moscow, said in a letter to Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) made available to the media: "I cannot in good conscience support President Bush's war plans against Iraq.

"Throughout the globe the United States is becoming associated with the unjustified use of force. The president's disregard for views in other nations, borne out by his neglect of public diplomacy, is giving birth to an anti-American century," the diplomat added.

Brown has recently been attached to the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University in Washington. Immediately before that, he was cultural attache at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow.

A senior U.S. diplomat based in Athens, political counselor John Brady Kiesling, 45, resigned in protest at the Bush administration's policy on Iraq last month.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Don't even bother, Imran. Frogger's rather adept at ignoring any facts that contradict his position. He's not worth your time...

You're like an unintended irony machine, Drake.

I know more about nuclear infrastructure than you do. I'll bow to a half-dozen people here on the details, and Imran's not one of them either.

The fact is that Iran built a bunch of civvy nuclear sh*t. The equal fact is that a lot of civvy nuke sh*t is convertible to military use. And from what the IAEA's been saying, that's what they've started (fairly) recently with their gaseous uranium enrichers.

Iran doesn't need civvy nuke plants. They were maintaining them as a potential future threat. Well, what they've now seen is that they better actually start laying eggs right this instant because President "Mad Dog" Bush may be comin' to git them good. So they're going to start enriching uranium and maybe at some point start running breeder reactors. And what this means is that a bunch more weapons-grade material floating around in dubious hands...

[Drake Tungsten]

I know more about nuclear infrastructure than you do.

And I know more about the politics of non-proliferation than you do. I don't see how your knowledge of nuclear infrastructure has any bearing on your knowledge of the geo-political realities that led to the "Axis of Evil" speech...

[KrazyHorse]

Read Imran's post, to which you replied.

Then explain how his comment is not based entirely on an understanding of the requirements of nuke infrastructure.

Next, present your qualifications in knowing a lot more than me about nuclear non-proliferation politics. Please tell me it's because you're taking PolySci degree or something. I haven't had a good belly laugh all day.

[Drake Tungsten]

My reply to Imran had little to do with the argument between you two; I was just expressing my basic feelings on you and your debating style. You refuse to admit you're wrong even when presented with facts and I've lost a lot of respect for you because of it...

[KrazyHorse]

So you quote a post simply to engage in a general attack on me.

I would have lost respect for you if I'd ever developed any to begin with, sweetheart.

Snooze...

[Drake Tungsten]

So you quote a post simply to engage in a general attack on me.

Not a "general attack", but a statement of fact...