Even the realpolitik types have had enough

[Demerzel]

Surely he is being patriotric to his country by throwing away his career in order to do something that would benefit the USA?

If several past US presidents and other high-level people like diplomats think this is wrong, then rather than say they are traitors - maybe they have a point?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Demerzel
If several past US presidents and other high-level people like diplomats think this is wrong, then rather than say they are traitors - maybe they have a point?

Unfortunately, it has become rather "American" lately to brand those who disagree with you as traitors rather than actually think about things. Ari Fleischer got the ball rolling on that one, and hysteria formented by the Administration's ineptitude handling terrorism alerts and beating the war drums has just added fuel to the fire.

[Ming]

Hmmm... A man of honor. He no longer could support the policies he was being asked to, so he did the honorable thing and resigned.

No real problem here... it is only one man's opinion

[chequita guevara]

No, you are all wrong. Lancer is right. All true Americans love the leader and would never disagree with him (unless he's a Democrat). Anyone who disagrees with our Fuehrer should be sent to a camp! Seig Heil!

[Lancer]

FOX news poll 72% support war w/ Iraq.

See, in the US we're mostly fascists.

[Jac de Molay]

The opinion of the NASCAR demographic doesn't count.

[Seeker]

For once I agree with Ming...

A what poll?

He believed he was serving the people of America (I don't like to talk about 'nations', nations don't believe things or want things) by sending them the message that he disagreed with their rulers enough to end his career.

If you want to find Moral Decay look at all the flag-waving zombies so glad that once again the USA is getting ready to slaughter thousands in the name of democracy and Good. Or the people talking about how liberties need to be 'sacrificed' to 'preserve' (entomb?) them. Moral Decay is when people believe that war is the time to 'have faith' and 'support' the rulers....when of course it's the time to be most on guard against the constant onslaught on liberty. Or the sychophantic praise and lionizing of soldiers, who, while many of them are facing the risk of death, are going to be fighting a war where their superiority over the enemy is so total and utter that it looks more like boasting. Or the moral decay in diplomatic circles, of how the USA has gone from a popular perception of brash big brother to something more threatening, more incomphrensible, to outsiders.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Lancer
FOX news poll 72% support war w/ Iraq.

See, in the US we're mostly fascists.

So you think Fascism equals "being against the majority"? That's your definition of Fascism? Really astounding and shocking bad understanding of political concepts. Hitler was supported by the majority of Germans for a long time, Mussolini in Italy and Franco in Spain, yet they were all fascists.

[The Mad Monk]

It's called humor, WIII. H-U-M-O-R.

Lancer was playing off Che's sarcasm.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Hitler was supported by the majority of Germans for a long time, Mussolini in Italy and Franco in Spain, yet they were all fascists.

Neither Hitler nor Mussolini nor Franco ever had majority support. That Nazis had a maximum 44% in the last free election, Mussolini was appointed, and Franco led a military revolt against the elected government.



Actually, I'm surprised only %72 percent of Fox respondents support the war.

[Wernazuma III]

Oops, I should start reading better before postin the next time. Sorry, Lancer, fast reading doesn't pay. (I missed the sense of "we're mostly fascists"

che: I never said the ycame to power democratically (Hitler partially), yet he definitely had a majority behind him and he was at least close of having it in Austria already at the time of the Anschluß. Later during his reign, he definitely had (yes, because of the propaganda, but still...)

[Agathon]

What a great letter. Some friends and I had a symposium on the war last November and we all agreed that no matter what your political persuasion, this war is a fool's errand; no better example of hubris could be found.

I don't think this war debate is about right versus left, it should be about prudence versus insanity.

[Dinner]

Spiffor is right. Civil servants have to either shut up or leave; this man choose to leave so he made the honorable choice.

[Giant_Squid]

Lancer - If the invasion of France was on, but all the soldiers decided they didn't agree with the policy of their government, quit and issued a statement against the policy of the president, then France would be part of Nazi Germany today.

Wouldn't an equally good analogy be "If the invasion of France was on, but all the NAZI soldiers decided they didn't agree with the policy of their government...?"

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Giant_Squid


Wouldn't an equally good analogy be "If the invasion of France was on, but all the NAZI soldiers decided they didn't agree with the policy of their government...?"

It would be a much better analogy.