Wimps, weasels and monkeys

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
What do you want Stinger?
Look at your post. Look at some others.
Another example of damned no matter what.

I wnat some perspective in the argument.

The US has done many good things for which europe should be grateful.
Europe is not obliged to support evrything the US does.
I think if you disagree with the US you should come up with an alternative policy.

As for my specific comment, the UK bankrupted itslef fighting a war in which the US should have got invloved in earlier, Admittedly France and the UK could have stopped it happening 5 years before.

People in the UK do resent the support we give america when they did little to stop the funding of terrorists blowing up our people.

[KrazyHorse]

(of course, France and Germany ought not hold their breaths that Dubya will just "get over" their latest shenanigans....as a Texan, he falls under a slightly different subset of Americans, and....well, let's just say...."don't count on it.")

I think they're more counting on the voters of the US coming to their senses at some point. And if that doesn't happen, there's always the 2-term limit...

[HershOstropoler]

Velociryx:

"Yes! We are brasher, and louder than Europeans."

It seems rather you are quite touchy about criticism.

"What you are seeing may, from your European perspective, appear like rage"

It appears like happily indulging in chauvinism.

"Typical American Problem Solving Methodology:
1) Identify the Problem
2) Formulate a solution
3) Test solution. If failure results, go back to 2, changing the variables each time"

Add the Churchill quote...

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Velociryx

In a nutshell, we tend to have a short fuse for this stuff because our problem solving methodologies are somewhat different

You missed step 1a from the European decision making process. It is the one about "Does something need to be done?" There is apparently no equivalent in the American process.

Incidentally (and I know this point has been done to death in other threads) a US attack on Iraq is not to solve a problem about Saddam running Iraq, it is to divert attention away from several other problems that Dubya is finding too difficult to solve. Since that is entirely Dubya's problem why should Europeans be desperately keen to implement an American solution to an American issue.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


You missed step 1a from the European decision making process. It is the one about "Does something need to be done?" There is apparently no equivalent in the American process.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
It appears like happily indulging in chauvinism.

Of course it is. After all, God does have a special place in his heart for drunkards, idiots, and Americans.

[Velociryx]

HO - I agree. And in fact, we're probably touchier about it than Euros are, because for the longest time we lived in your shadow, and were exceedingly deferential to "superior European culture."

But since the world has moved on and modernized, we see that Europe has gone into a long sleep, and it leaves us feeling....torn. On the one hand, we still remember how we used to defer to you guys on most fronts, and on the other, we see so little substantive out of Europe these days, it has us questioning what we were thinking.

For the record, I think we'd appear LESS touchy on the subject if, hand in hand with the criticisms were viable alternative plans, but of course, we don't get much of that either....

Cereb - I would say that if a problem is identified AS a problem, it sorta goes without saying that it needs some kind of solution (and yes, a perfectly valid solution in some specific cases would be "do nothing."

-=Vel=-

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Of course it is. After all, God does have a special place in his heart for drunkards, idiots, and Americans.

Pleonasm.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Velociryx

For the record, I think we'd appear LESS touchy on the subject if, hand in hand with the criticisms were viable alternative plans, but of course, we don't get much of that either....


-=Vel=-

I think this is the crucial point, if you disagree, that s fine but do come up with reasons and an alternative plan.

Just saying GW is an idiot isn't very constructive

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by TheStinger


I wnat some perspective in the argument.

The US has done many good things for which europe should be grateful.
Europe is not obliged to support evrything the US does.
I think if you disagree with the US you should come up with an alternative policy.
And procrastination is not a viable option

As for my specific comment, the UK bankrupted itslef fighting a war in which the US should have got invloved in earlier, Admittedly France and the UK could have stopped it happening 5 years before.
And this is the USA's fault, how?

People in the UK do resent the support we give america when they did little to stop the funding of terrorists blowing up our people.

Again, get involved, damned. Do nothing, damned.




And Buck, I've never gotten on you before, but your comment (Yeah, go on, Ming- where are your antiamerican column examples? I'd be interested if you could find any at all directed at the American populace as a whole.) is perhaps the biggest pile of steaming crap I've ever read at these forums. And that's quite an accomplishment.

[HershOstropoler]

"For the record, I think we'd appear LESS touchy on the subject if, hand in hand with the criticisms were viable alternative plans, but of course, we don't get much of that either...."

True on Iraq, but don't forget that the Bush administration is not looking for a solution to the problem there, but for a problem for the solution...

[HershOstropoler]

"is perhaps the biggest pile of steaming crap I've ever read at these forums"

Then show those examples.

[SlowwHand]

Not Bush. Not Blair. Look at your avatar.

[TheStinger]

Slow, my point was made to show that the US doesn't always sort evrything out selflesley. You basicaly got all of Britians money and then some and then joined in.

This is at odds with the previuos comment that everyone in europe waits for ther americans to solve their problems. This patently untrue in respect of the UK.

BTW you also stole all our jet plane research and nuclear research and didn't give us yours(but thats a differnt argument)

[SlowwHand]

HershOstropoler Settler,


Though it wouldn't be anything resembling effort, do your own work.
Look at any day's postings, then get back to me.