The Berlin Airlift

[Sava]

Sava,

You find the worst Avatars.

There, I changed it to Timmy!... if you don't like TImmy, then there's something wrong with you.

[Urban Ranger]

Lancer, what does the Berlin Airlift have anything to do with *freedom*? It was done to screw the Soviets.

[Ecthy]

I'm East German so I couldn't give a damn about the West Berlin airlift!

Down with the US!

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Lancer, what does the Berlin Airlift have anything to do with *freedom*?

It kept 2 million West Berliners free and provided a haven of freedom for so many East Germans that a friggin' wall had to be built to keep them all from leaving.

[GePap]

Since the West German Army had several hundreads of thousands of men in the front lines, making the bulk of of the divisions in the Central front, I am sure plenty of germans died in similar incidents defending their own country, and OURS, during the Cold War: and the German were nice enough allies, so that even when huge armies (some of them made of their own countrymen) were poised to assault them, never created their own independent nuclear force.

America did not defend Europe simply out of selflessness. America defended Europe, both in WW2 and the Cold War because if we hadn't, we would surely not be the superpower we are today. So give me a f*cking break.

Double Post. And proud of it.

[Dinner]

Getting a feel for the change in death rate amoung Iraqi's should be pretty simple. Just see what the death rate per million people was in 1989 and then compare it to the rate per million people today. Of course finding numbers which haven't been fabrocated as propoganda might be difficult.

[DuncanK]

Sava,

timmy is much better.

[DuncanK]

Gepap,

Are you saying the American people who supported US involvement in WWII and the Cold War did so just to make us a superpower? I don't think so. We made a choice to defend the world from the Nazi's and Soviets, we just became a superpower as a result.

[Lancer]

Thirty one Americans lost their lives during the Berlin Airlift.

http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/memorial.htm

[oedo]

I live in Berlin and as some of you know I lived in both parts of Berlin before the fall of the Berlin wall. very soon I heard about the events of 1948/49 and I think this is something we should be thankful about.
one of Berlin´s longest roads is named after Gerneral Lucius D. Clay, who led the Berlin Airlift between June 1948 and July 1949.

God bless you General Clay.

[Lancer]

oedo, amen.

The US is a country that will go right to the brink in support of its allies, and the thirty one that died gave their whole universe for the people of Berlin.

It's good to know that there are folks like yourself oedo, who take the time to remember. Also that there is a street in Berlin named for the American who led the effort to save the great German city.

[Ecthy]

So that is what Clayallee in Zehlendorf is all about, just rode along that street the other day and wondered who it was named after

[Spiffor]

You know, Lancer, there are plenty of "Pdt. Wilson street"s and "Franklin Roosevelt avenue"s in France too. Many more than Stalin streets We do remember when the Americans helped us. We're just not making a permanent obsession about it.

[Lancer]

Spiffor, I've made a simple thread here to remember the Berlin Airlift and those who gave their lives in the effort to preserve the freedom of over 2 million Germans. Yet many have used the thread to further attack the United States? Is it because of my simple statement of hope for freedom for the Iraqi people? Don't you want freedom for the Iraqi people?

Why the attacks in this thread dedicated to a heroic effort to save fellow europeans? The attacks are evidence of the guilt people feel at letting their unreasoning hatred of the US overcome their sense of what's right.

You are French, and your nation is using Iraq as a bargaining chip in european politics. Had you stood shoulder to shoulder with the US then maybe Saddam would have seen the hopelessness of the situation and gone to Libya, or maybe his generals would have shot him to save their own skins. This might yet happen, but it might not, because of what France has done and continues to do. That could cost American troops their lives if they have to go house to house and street to street in Baghdad.

Instead you have marginalized yourselves in the EU and NATO, and alot of Americans now hate the French for what they have done. Boycotts are being organized, French products thrown in the garbage, etc. All over getting rid of a two bit mass murdering dictator.

Good job...

Folks, remember the Americans of the Berlin airlift! Their grandsons are going into Baghdad, very soon.

[Bereta_Eder]

STOP THE AMERICANS FROM MASSACRING 500.000 PEOPLE FOR OIL!