The Berlin Airlift

[Bereta_Eder]

We also have an American Plaza

Plateia Amerikis.

[Lancer]

paiktis, thanks for the commie take on things.

Say something nice about the US someday...or don't.

[Bereta_Eder]

Already did.

[Lancer]

What caused them to name it that? What has the US done for Greece?

[Bereta_Eder]

Depends on the way you look at this of course: will give you the one side: "Saved Greece from the Red Menace and Recontructed it after WW2"

[Lancer]

So, someday the Iraqis will have a 'George Bush II' street. We'll save them from Saddam, rebuild their country...

How much oil in Greece?

[Spiffor]

I do not oppose the war for the same reasons as my despicable government. I oppose the war (like almost all Frenchmen) because I think this war will lead to nearly nothing good, but to the deaths of thousands civilians. I didn't like seeing 3000 innocent civilians slaughtered by an air attack some 11th September. I don't want to see thousands of innocent civilians slaughtererd by air attacks sometime in the future in Iraq.

Now, Chirac opposed the war for France's interests, as much as Bush pushes for the war for the US' interests. It would be blind to think any of these two countries is more moral than the other.

[Bereta_Eder]

Not likely for Iraq

See, you did "save" us but not for our beautiful eyes nor for our kick ass performance in WW2, nor for our history but because you needed Greece in the west.

That means you did "things" in order to "save" us.

You gave tons of money but you supported fascists in the government to counter the "reds".

You even went as far as to support a dictatorship (all under the real or pretext way to counter the reds - in reality to install a regime that'd do your binding).

So we had to fight long and hard to get rid of you, and now many of us don't like you one bit

Much oil maybe in the Aegean which explains Turkey's hostility. Got some oil weils in the Aegean near err I forgot the name of the island

[Bereta_Eder]

not that things were so pristine in Greece either. Lots of fascists, lots of commies. but your "contribution" left a very bitter taste, primarily to the left but to all those who value democracy now unfortunately and with your help to turkey (we're talking about real important issues here) you're the scape goat, some times fairly, some times hugely unfairly.

[Lancer]

Spiffor, when we take Iraq in a couple of weeks, you'll see how the Iraqis have been dieing on the orders of Saddam.

Did the French cave when the Germans had the whole country under their heel? Hell no, the French fought...for freedom. People died and France is free. Some things are worth putting your life on the line for... yourself and your family...your nation. I don't see the Iraqis being any different. Americans and allies and Iraqis will die. In the end, Iraq will be free, and the world a safer place.

In spite of the actions of the French.

[Lancer]

paiktis, sorry about that. The Soviets had the force to overrun and enslave much of europe. Put many more people into their international prison system called the Warsaw Pact. In order to hold back the Soviets the US and allies had to do get in bed with some real dogs. Well, woof.

You use what you got.

[Spiffor]

Comparing the future civilian casualties in Iraq to French resistors would be equivalent to compare 11th Sept's victims to freedom fighters. Nonsense.

Most of these people will have no control over their deaths or their engagement (unlike freedom fighters), and will just randomly get killed by bombs. Western bombs.
I wonder if Iraqis are ready to pay such a price to oust Saddam. Sadly, we'll never know.

[Bereta_Eder]

not good enough I'm afraid

I'll just sing a famous for that era slogan: No to NATO, no to Warsaw, national idependence

Plus forgive me for not being wholly conveinced that it was for the reds only...

Just look at Venezuela now It is also for furthering your interests (which is totally OK if human lives are not wasted for it)

[Lancer]

We don't know because they have no freedom of speech. (They are tortured and killed for even joking about Saddam) We will know when the country is freed and the Iraqis throw flowers at American tanks. Like, ahhh, in France when we freed your parents and grandparents from the same sort of oppression.

[Lancer]

paiktis, could Greece have stopped Soviet tanks? Could Germany or France? No, it took all of us together, whether you liked it or not you had to be made to serve the common good. Your ability to complain about it is a sign that it was the right course to take. I don't expext you to agree, you're too close, too...red.