The Berlin Airlift

[Spiffor]

I hope you're right, but I can't help being in extreme doubt, to say the least.
Maybe because the only (Kurd) Iraqi I know rejects war out of fear for his family ?

[Bereta_Eder]

The dictatorship killed and tortured sums under your protection So no, I'm not the only one who thinks that or that this wasn't for the reds but for you instilling a puppet regime when Greece was to turn Socialist. Which it did, after overthrowing the dictatorship. The only thing you really accomplished was to piss a lot of people off.

[Lancer]

Sure, but you miss the point. It wasn't done for us here in the US, it was done to help defend what was left of europe as it recovered from its most destructive war ever. I'm not saying it was right, just that it is the kind of thing people do when put up against the wall. The US didn't want to live in a communist world and 3/5ths of the world's population was under communism. Europe didn't want to be crushed by Stalin's militay machine. Remember Kruschev "We will bury you" **** happens, that's why I said 'sorry'. **** happened to you.

[Lancer]

Spiffor, that's too bad. Call him after the thing is over...

[Bereta_Eder]

To defend from the reds with every price, isnt good
To support a brutal regime just to further your interests, not good either

11 Sept = **** happens. It's the same you're saying to me now

Venezuela ring a bell, you tried the same there now and there isn't a "red threat"

Anyway that's old history. Forever remembered

[Bereta_Eder]

This junta led to the Cyprus tragedy BTW.
And it was the excuse, if not the reason, for terrorist groups to show up and start killing (lots of american officials too - the CIA stationed chief of the US was the first to "pay" as they saw it)

Anyway, that's history
Now it's your support for Turkey that pisses people off (I bet there always will be something )

[Lancer]

I seem to contradict myself. What happened in Greece wasn't right, what happened in Vietnam wasn't right, but the effort against communism was right, it worked, this conversation is possible.

Paiktis, please start a Venezuela thread, I'm very interested to learn more, from all different viewpoints.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Lancer
We don't know because they have no freedom of speech. (They are tortured and killed for even joking about Saddam) We will know when the country is freed and the Iraqis throw flowers at American tanks. Like, ahhh, in France when we freed your parents and grandparents from the same sort of oppression.

And then what? You'll install a new dictator then go home and forget it ever happened, while the place goes to **** all over again. (only this time with more rubble and grief, left over from your bombing campaign)

[Lancer]

Yeah, I'm not happy about having to give away the Kurds because of the Turks, but **** happens.

[Lancer]

Osweld, yeah, like France w/ de Gaulle.

[Bereta_Eder]

As I said Greece was far from pristine at that time. It's not healthy to scape goat the US all the time. Makes you blind to your own reality. But the US certaintly had much to blame as did many Greek groups.
What dark days these were... Glad to see democracy back with solid footing. But people died fighting for this to happen. The students uprising. Never forgotten, always a compass. *sighs*

[Bereta_Eder]

There was a thread about Venezuela but the search system of Poly don't work so well anymore

[Lancer]

The CIA got it.

[Bereta_Eder]

The CIA ain't that bright

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
It kept 2 million West Berliners free and provided a haven of freedom for so many East Germans that a friggin' wall had to be built to keep them all from leaving.

That is purely incidental.