Has Belgium gone mad?

[Ozz]

Originally posted by panag
in the hallways of the belgian justice palace yesterday some people skoke on going and getting Arik ones he is no longer PM of Israel , ..... well they can try , .... we shall be waiting , .....

I think they said the same in Yugoslavia/Serbia about
their leader who was accused and is now on trial for
war Crimes.

Of course Sharon isn't the first, Begin was the first
criminal (terrorist) PM of Israel wasn't he?

[Eli]

Nope, it was Ben Gurion. Under his rule hundreds of thousands of Arabs(today Palestinians) fled/were expelled from Israel.

[SpencerH]

Thanks for pointing that out Frogger, my apologies for not reading it more carefully

More from the Israeli perspective:

http://www.arutzsheva.org/news.php3?id=38910

Attorney-General Elyakim Rubenstein said that the Belgian ruling has "nothing to do with justice; it's just politics. A normal country can't allow a legal system to operate on its own in a bubble, like a UFO, without paying attention to simple facts... Israel's judicial system is certainly of no less quality than that of Belgium, and we investigated the Sabra and Shatila massacres with the Kahan Commission, and found no criminal culpability...

[SpencerH]

This is the summary from the Kahan commission that investigated the events

The Commission determined that the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla was carried out by a Phalangist unit, acting on its own but its entry was known to Israel. No Israeli was directly responsible for the events which occurred in the camps. But the Commission asserted that Israel had indirect responsibility for the massacre since the I.D.F. held the area, Mr. Begin was found responsible for not exercising greater involvement and awareness in the matter of introducing the Phalangists into the camps. Mr. Sharon was found responsible for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge when he approved the entry of the Phalangists into the camps as well as not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed. Mr. Shamir erred by not taking action after being alerted by communications Minister Zippori. Chief of Staff Eitan did not give the appropriate orders to prevent the massacre. The Commission recommended that the Defense Minister resign, that the Director of Military Intelligence not continue in his post and other senior officers be removed.

I was on duty that day (and in the days following) monitoring the events and that pretty much agrees with what I remember happening 20 years ago.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Eli
Nope, it was Ben Gurion. Under his rule hundreds of thousands of Arabs(today Palestinians) fled/were expelled from Israel.

Oh, I has refering to Begin's Stern gang membership.

Belgium having convicted Sharon must have strong
evidence to prove it.

I wonder if Sharon's political rivals have clean hands, or they all alike?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Eli
Nope, it was Ben Gurion. Under his rule hundreds of thousands of Arabs(today Palestinians) fled/were expelled from Israel.

I say again: who are you, and what have you done with Eli?

[SpencerH]

Belgium havent convicted anyone. Their supreme court has simply agreed that the cases can go forward.

[Eli]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,754499,00.html

An interesting read.

I say again: who are you, and what have you done with Eli?

I'm just trying to lead him to the absurd conclusion that the entire state of Israel consists of war criminals and child killers.

I wonder if Sharon's political rivals have clean hands, or they all alike?

Mitzna was a general... Participated in a couple of wars, was responsible for implementing Rabin's "break their legs" policy during the first Intifada.

But it's not important for the world media... He's a leftist, so his alleged crimes can be ignored.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ozz


Oh, I has refering to Begin's Stern gang membership.

Belgium having convicted Sharon must have strong
evidence to prove it.

I wonder if Sharon's political rivals have clean hands, or they all alike?

hi ,

evidence , pffffff , they cant even bring evidence forward against the people who killed 10 belgian paracommandos in kigali in rwanda 94 , .....

what are they going to do then against Arik , .....pffffffff

they have a courtcase against yasser , but that one is not acceptable they claim , ...... hippocrits , ......

if they keep up the stupid views they have , international companies gonna stay away from belgium , .... first the nato thing with turkey on monday morning , now this , ......

and they cut in the wallets they have , less revenue is less tax , is less money , .... 35.2 % of the worlds diamont trade passes true antwerp belgium , .....

the import from goods made in Israel superseeds twice the import from all the arab nations together , ...... they are shooting themselfs the fools , ......

well Bibi and Katsav wrote it good , .....

have a nice day

[Eli]

and they cut in the wallets they have , less revenue is less tax , is less money , .... 35.2 % of the worlds diamont trade passes true antwerp belgium , .....

You know... Sometimes there are moments when you realize that there are things everyone but you know.

For the last 10 years I was 100% sure Antwerp is in Switzerland.

[KrazyHorse]

It's a famous port

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Eli
I'm just trying to lead him to the absurd conclusion that the entire state of Israel consists of war criminals and child killers.

No, but they may be guilty of aiding and abetting a
criminal.

I didn't think any of they would have clean hands.

I like this:

35.2 % of the worlds diamont trade passes true antwerp belgium

The diamonds don't come from Israel do they now.
You think the diamond traders are going to pack
up and move to Israel? They are'nt stupid......pffffffff

[Panag]

Originally posted by Eli

and they cut in the wallets they have , less revenue is less tax , is less money , .... 35.2 % of the worlds diamont trade passes true antwerp belgium , .....

You know... Sometimes there are moments when you realize that there are things everyone but you know.

For the last 10 years I was 100% sure Antwerp is in Switzerland.

hi ,

, .......

allas it seems that most people in belgium in the parlement think the same , ...... they have no idea with what the heck they are buzzzzy with , .....

hey they got ten million people , and five governments , ......





and they are going to teach us , ......

at least we give rights to immigrants and refugees , ..... unlike them , and then they call themselves a democrazy , .......

pffffffffffff , we should start to boycott them , imagine those taxes of 35.2 % of the world trade in diamonts , ...... imagine we move to Athens Greece , ... Simitis would love to collect those taxes , ....

and the belgians trow it all away , well the politicians do , ......

have a nice day

[Eli]

The diamonds don't come from Israel do they now.
You think the diamond traders are going to pack
up and move to Israel? They are'nt stupid......pffffffff

Actually Tel Aviv is on the top of the Diamonds bussiness, together with Antwerp and New York.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ozz


No, but they may be guilty of aiding and abetting a
criminal.

I didn't think any of they would have clean hands.

I like this:

35.2 % of the worlds diamont trade passes true antwerp belgium

The diamonds don't come from Israel do they now.
You think the diamond traders are going to pack
up and move to Israel? They are'nt stupid......pffffffff

hi ,

why not , most of them are jews , .....

that makes them Israeli , ....

and Ramat - Gan would love to see them coming

why should they stay in a country that hates them , ..... who is stupid here , the belgian are for doing what they are doing , ..... they are cutting in the revenue , and cut there you cut in the amount of tax income you get , .... one thing the belgians have not figured out yet , .....

they do the same with turkey , .... hey , according to some belgians it has an evil axis with Israel , so they both should get out , .....

have a nice day