Has Belgium gone mad?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Dry

Yes, I have read those part (a little too long, I've skipped some parts).
I still don't know what to think about it. Truth? Propaganda? Probably a little bit of both. Truth, but with only one point of view.
The opinion that Israel behave badly in occupied territory is widespread here, and ressurgence of anti-semitism is of course linked to it.
I would like to answer this longer and try to describe how it's difficult to keep his head cool between accusations of anti-semitism and anti-arabism, but I have no time. I still have to work (I'm at work: read is no problem, write takes more time).
See you monday.

hi ,

its a translation of a sworn statement , backed up with video and audio , .....

just the fact that boutmans spoke in public with members of hezbollah and the plo represantive in BXL about how Israel is one big concentration camp and that only the gaschambers are missing , ... well the least you can say about it is that its wrong, ....

the same week the belgian ambassador ( geens ) used the same words , ......

allez een goed weekend hé

have a nice day

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by CerberusIV
I find this quite amazing. A 183 post thread about Belgium, possibly the most boring country in the EU and one most people simply go through to get somewhere else.

One dubious legal decision (and the Belgians certainly don't have a monopoly on those!) and Belgium is suddenly controversial - brilliant!

Pity it won't do much to attract Israeli tourists but you can't win them all.

Oh-my-god

A typical thought of someone accidentally living in a bigger country! (jezus what are borders anyway, we're all human, and we can cross borders freely, in the EU that is) Feeling a bit superior again I see?

You're saying that you once went to Ostend, oh my god, Ostend sure is Belgium... in fact Ostend is a port city that is not famed for its wealth here in Belgium (it used to be thriving, but nowaydays it's less important). I could say the same thing when I went to Dover: a grey and ugly fecking city where nobody seemed happy.

And since I've been in GB a lot already, I would even say this: English people are dead ugly, they mostly live in big identical sleazy apartment blocks, you guys don't know fashion and you hooligans are wicked in head. Hmm let me see, we have a much higher standard of living than you guys, better social securities etc etc.. You see, to me England is unapealing as well mate

I hope you see now what your generalization brings: complete and utter ****e. So keep it for yourself if you are so inclined to think we have no meaning whatsoever in this world, and if you think every issue in this world should be decided by the US, the uk, Russia and some other powermongers.

[Traianvs]

sorry, posted my message twice

[Ming]

It's getting a little TOO personal in this thread.

Remember, discuss and argue the issues.

DO NOT ATTACK OTHER MEMBERS.

I see some restrictions in SOME people's future...

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Trajanus


Oh-my-god

A typical thought of someone accidentally living in a bigger country! (jezus what are borders anyway, we're all human, and we can cross borders freely, in the EU that is) Feeling a bit superior again I see?

You're saying that you once went to Ostend, oh my god, Ostend sure is Belgium... in fact Ostend is a port city that is not famed for its wealth here in Belgium (it used to be thriving, but nowaydays it's less important). I could say the same thing when I went to Dover: a grey and ugly fecking city where nobody seemed happy.

And since I've been in GB a lot already, I would even say this: English people are dead ugly, they mostly live in big identical sleazy apartment blocks, you guys don't know fashion and you hooligans are wicked in head. Hmm let me see, we have a much higher standard of living than you guys, better social securities etc etc.. You see, to me England is unapealing as well mate

I hope you see now what your generalization brings: complete and utter ****e. So keep it for yourself if you are so inclined to think we have no meaning whatsoever in this world, and if you think every issue in this world should be decided by the US, the uk, Russia and some other powermongers.

I'm sorry you are having a bad day. Perhaps you will not be so stressed tomorrow.

[Traianvs]

What do you expect with insults... you will only see me get annoyed when people say ****ty things about me, I won't start trashing other people...

and Cerberus, I'm having a great day, just got my exam results and they kicked your ass big time

[Ming]

ENOUGH WITH THE PERSONAL CRAP!

WHAT DIDN'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT MY LAST POST.

I see SOME people are just one more post away from a restriction...

[DaShi]

Ming, please stay on topic.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by dannubis
NATO is a defensive organisation... if one of its members declares war on another country without prior consulting well ...

Besides, turkey has already a large part of its military present along its southern borders... you know, the kurds live there ...

And for another thing, a large part of the american reinforcements are being shipped to the gulf via Antwerp. As it is stipulated by the NATO treaty the Belgian governement gives free passage to these troops.
So we abide by nato's rules and we don't twist them into our advantage each time we have a political reason to do so.

The Turks aren't asking you to send troops but they are asking to pool alliance resources so they can get three very specific things. The alliance treaty allows for alliance assets to be used for "reasonable defensive measures" yet three states have blocked Turkey from doing this. Powell is not known as an alarmist but even he's gotten up and said France, Belgium, and Germany appear to be violation of the NATO treaty.

They keep saying the difference will be worked out but it appears a few left wing politicos are out to make reelection points even if it weakens the institution of NATO.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ozz
Anti-ballistic missiles treay ring a bell? NAFTA?

ABM was terminated by religiously following the self abrogation clause with in the treaty. The NAFTA wood & paper dispute is being resolved in the arbitration panel exactly as spelled out in the treaty. In neither case was a treaty broken.

Also if you will please reread my previous post you will see your argument about how the U.S. should be attacked by other NATO states just doesn't work.

[Spiffor]

Chirac isn't left-wing by any standard

[Panag]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The Turks aren't asking you to send troops but they are asking to pool alliance resources so they can get three very specific things. The alliance treaty allows for alliance assets to be used for "reasonable defensive measures" yet three states have blocked Turkey from doing this. Powell is not known as an alarmist but even he's gotten up and said France, Belgium, and Germany appear to be violation of the NATO treaty.

They keep saying the difference will be worked out but it appears a few left wing politicos are out to make reelection points even if it weakens the institution of NATO.

hi ,

the two main things the turcs and americans have asked are patriot's and awacs , ....

as a prevention of an attack from iraq , ... just like in the first gulfwar , ....

have a nice day

[dannubis]

Nope ... The only thing the americans want from the nato countries is to have a political excuse to attack Iraq.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The Turks aren't asking you to send troops but they are asking to pool alliance resources so they can get three very specific things. The alliance treaty allows for alliance assets to be used for "reasonable defensive measures" yet three states have blocked Turkey from doing this. Powell is not known as an alarmist but even he's gotten up and said France, Belgium, and Germany appear to be violation of the NATO treaty.

They keep saying the difference will be worked out but it appears a few left wing politicos are out to make reelection points even if it weakens the institution of NATO.

The problem with the american governement today is that when you have to call Mr. Powel the most left wing element in your crew, you have a very, very right wing governement...

By the way, how much votes is bush going to get by dropping bombs on bagdad...

[Panag]

Originally posted by dannubis
Nope ... The only thing the americans want from the nato countries is to have a political excuse to attack Iraq.

nope , the turcs asked for support and protection under article four of the nato prime directive , ....