Salonika

[Spiffor]

Paiktis :
I stand corrected. 1923 right ?

[Bereta_Eder]

In the 1920s but not sure exactly about the year, yes.

[Az]

It seems that his troll has got to you.

It's a shame you can't keep being ahead of the game at all times, dear.

[Bereta_Eder]

It just offers me the chance to post things when I feel like it. His mistakes in history have already gave him away and now I just play with him when I'm in the mood. He's useful.

The Greek state, having expanded greatly since gaining independance was looking to return to it's old capital. In Greece,this was referred to as the "Megali Idea", the dream of reclaiming the Byzantine capital. Greece's entry in WW1 on what turned out to be the winning side made this a realistic ambition.

Greek Prime Minister Eleutherios Venizelos based Greece's claim to Constantinople at the Paris peace conferance in 1919 on two principles. 1) American President Woodrow Wilson's fourteen points which stressed self determination for nations in the Ottoman empire. 2) Venizelos pointed out in a memorandum that the "principal native element of the population of Constantinople is Greek, being numerically greater than all the other nationalities put together except the Turks." Quote taken from a New York Times article of January 16, 1919.

In the end Greece liberated Smyrna and the western portions of Asia minor as well as Eastern Thrace. The Greeks of Pontus sought to form a state of their own. Greece was not allowed to enter Constantinople, although the idea of Greek claims was considered and ultimately rejected. In September 1920,Venizelos petitioned the allies to turn Constantinople over to the Greek army, and in return the allies refused (From New York Times article of September 20, 1920.)

In July 1921, Prime Minister Gounaris argued that Greece had the right to march on Constantinople, which the allies had by then intended to preserve as a Turkish capital, as a result of Greek military victories up to that time. The allies countered that their respective armies numbered 10,000 soldiers and all would be used to resist a Greek march on Constantinople. (From New York Times article "Talk of Greek March on Constantinople". July 27, 1921.)

The Greeks continued to hope that they would enter Constantinople up until Kemal Ataturk's armies entered in the fall of 1922. It is interesting that when the British entered Constantinople following the Ottoman empire's collapse Greek hopes were high. Greek flags rose in Constantinople. The The Patriarch Meletios IV lobbied the allies to support union with Greece. It is ironic that the Greeks of Constantinople and Asia minor survived into the twentieth century only to disappear almost entirely by the twentyfirst when the world had become more enlightened to the plights of minorities and human rights.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
It is not a single life(your own) that you fight for, but for your country, its honour and its history. What will the future of the next generations be if at the crucial momment the politicians and its citizens exhibited cowardice?

No you fight for YOUR freedom, Your personnal Honour
each generation is responible for itself. The Germans
invaded Greece for the "Honour" of their country, but
their country had no honour.

[Az]

Some weird moodswings, Paiktis. It's 4AM and all you do, is get offended by a troll.

How unbecoming.

[Bereta_Eder]

Playing with him is hardly a drag but entertaining. I like to use him to post interesting quotes that incidently piss him and "mission" off like this:

Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks.

Winston Churchill, 1941.

[Az]

This thread has been so amusing, though.

You get a discussion started by a bunch of greek racist nationalists in a on-topic forum, the discussion shifts to the OT. The Greek makes an ass of himself, puts the other greek posters in an ackward position, calling them hypocrites. Generally, not a good day for Greece.



Kinda reminds me of the day Eli joined apolyton

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
And I see him laughing about that...

You are clueless to make that ASSumption. The Reason
i keep butting heads with you is that you don't clue in
to one fact.

It's the rich old men, sleeping with the young women who sent young "patroits" out to die, to get their names in the history book.

The sooner you realize what a bunch of frickin' bastards
these guys are who start wars the sooner you'll see
the differience between a just war and just some
a-holes ego trip.

Massaces occur in wars EVERY frickin' time. Greece started the war wanting to garb Istanbul and the old Ionia cities. Just because a majority of people of one culture occupy a small part of a nation does not give another nation of that culture the right to start a bloody war to sieze it. Cause then where do you draw the line
1,000,000 people, 100,000, 10,000 ,1000,10, 1?

[Bereta_Eder]

Dl OZZ, you are clueless about history and have demosntrated it amply.

1.5 million people were massacred and another 1 million were made refugees and the attrocities were of course horrible.

And now you play it the "pacifist" with me?


You have nothing to offer except being
a) an already beaten to the ground DL
or
b) a really 40 year old fart with no contribution to make, since you don't know sh!t about history or what you're talking about and suffer from serious psychological problems.


Either way, you got your ass kicked gooood

[Az]

erm, actually it seems that you got your ass kicked good. By the turks.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
quote:
Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks.

Winston Churchill, 1941.

I never deny the truth. Nice to get quotes like that. They are well deserved.

The Greeks fought well in THEIR JUST WAR against the
Italians and would have pushed them out of Albania and
into the sea, without help from anyone else. That fact
they did/would have done this with basically rifles against Italians armed with planes, tanks and artillery
speaks of their high moral and courage in DEFENDING
themselves.

Even after the fall of greece, greek units fought on in
North Africa and Italy until victory was theirs.

[Bereta_Eder]

I guess the millions of deaths still permit you to make a joke?

In that case,
Well we did go almost to their capital. Just a rugclothed bunch of Greeks. And as said in all wars from the 19th century onward Greece ended up with more teritory from the Turks.


But your troll is passe, see. Becasue you get your ass kicked (and more than that) by the Palestinians (which you oppress) nearly every week.

Didn't a bunch of Israeli soldiers died by Hamas just today?

Oh well, another one bites the dust.


So Jews/Israelis die and keep dying and the only recourse you have is to troll in the expence of millions of deaths in a net forum?

Go Intifada

[Ozz]

Originally posted by paiktis22
And now you play it the "pacifist" with me?

I ain't a pacifist, I not a mindless marionette like you
dancing to a propagandaists strings eithier. With all
your obvoius advantages rich boy (how many greeks
got computers and internet) you read a lot, but you
don't think alot. You just shallow the whole bait, hook
line and sinker. Problem is it's rich *******s like you
who start wars, it's easy to talk of courage, honor
and duty when your 400 miles from the front ****ing
some poor young soldiers wife, while he's dodging
bullets.

[Bereta_Eder]

But see little Ozzy I know far more than you. You just hang on to propaganda and whatever your colonial english tell you since you are nothing, no culture, no ancestors, no honour to speak of. A pest.

So you can take your "compliments" and stick them up your arse, dear

For you know NOT neither the whole story and you're too biased to ever have a glimpse of that.
You're just here for the entertainment value of it all.