OBL's Latest Message

[Jaakko]

Ohway onay! Ourway odecay ashay eenbay eachedbray! evacuateway allway asesbay, oseclay allway opsshay inway ethay allmay! oday omethingsay!

http://www.24hourlatin.com/fun/piglatin.htm

PS. Gotcha, John.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Velociryx
My bet: Our boys captures OBL in Afghanistan, shipped him to Hollywierd, where they convinced him to make a little speech.

Gives the US administration more ammunition to push PatAct2 through, and gives them their "missing link" which demonstrates an OBL-Iraq link (thus providing, theoretically, sufficient proof to get a UN go-ahead vote for the war).



-=Vel=-
(Wag the Dog)

Why the wink?

The extraordinarily fortuitous timing of this tape smells to me. I don't think OBL is alive, and the sudden shift from video to audiotape makes digital forgery technically feasible.

18 KIA in Tora Bora is a joke, though, the confirmed body count was a bit higher than that, not counting the people who ran into tunnels and got the crispy critter treatment before being sealed in. In one particular tunnel complex, 65 to 70 were seen going in to one entrance before they were slammed, and nobody came out. Of any of the tunnel complex entrances.

John - "socialists" in OBL-ite fundie speak refers to the non-royal secular arab governments. All non-Islamic, non-Jewish foreigners get lumped into the infidel category, with the US and western European (former colonial powers) being lumped in as crusaders. The only exception are those who embrace his brand of Islam, otherwise, we're all targets, and in Islamic fundie doctrine, there are no infidel allies, of any ideology. We are all targets, for destruction, unless we convert and serve the cause of jihad.

Zionists are their own special category, of course, and the secular royal governments are all considered in the category of "treacherous and spy" governments, or various other names - that one changes all the time, but the basic deal is that they are lackeys of the US (Which is true, but that's beside the point.) who don't follow Sharia. The only "legitimate" government in the fundie world view is a fundamentalist Islamic state in strict accordance with Sharia, and nothing more. Even the Islamic Republic of Iran in the Khomeini days falls short of the al Qutb - al Maududi standard that OBL and his followers embrace(d).

OBL and his followers hardon for "socialists" goes back way before al Qaeda, to his spiritual inspiration, Sayyid al Qutb, and al Qutb's call for jihad against Nasserite Egypt. Al Qutb was tortured and eventually executed by Nasser's government because al Qutb wrote than any leader who imposed man-made law of any kind (since Sharia is divine law) was defiling Islam, and that such leaders and their governments must be overthrown in jihad.

Sharia doesn't regulate economic matters much, so OBL's "economic" scheme is about 7th century laissez-faire, with some incidental leakage of religious dogma. (that latter part is about all that distinguishes them from libertarians. ).

[chequita guevara]

I declare a jihad on bin Laden and his lackey, Dubya.

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Ohway onay! Ourway odecay ashay eenbay eachedbray! evacuateway allway asesbay, oseclay allway opsshay inway ethay allmay! oday omethingsay!

http://www.24hourlatin.com/fun/piglatin.htm

PS. Gotcha, John.

This is so anoying

[Jaakko]

Originally posted by DuncanK


This is so anoying

At your service.

[Sava]

uckfay igpay atinlay

seriously though... if we're assuming Al Qaida's smart, you have to assume that they are prepared for the even of bin Laden's death. They probably have tons of tapes and footage that they'll release even if he's dead. I think he's probably alive because I think that maybe less than 1% of Al-Qaida has been killed as a result of the Afghan campaign. I mean, how much damage has been done to Al-Qaida if we're all out buying duck-tape and bottled water?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by JohnT
But, it is very interesting that both interpretations are valid - it is the Western Left that wants to avoid military conflict, and therefore pursue (for totally different reasons) a policy that is beneficial to OBL.

Actually, the contrary is true. A fight in Iraq and protracted occupation will divert a major amount of US military and intelligence resources from hunting al Qaeda, and there is a good to excellent chance of both inflaming average man in the street Muslims against US "imperialism" in the arab world, as well as undermining friendly (i.e. lackey) monarchies if the US installs some form of pseudo-democracy in Iraq. Certainly the upside potential for al Qaeda is much higher than the downside potential.

The best the US can hope to do is avoid incitement of run ofthe mill arabs, we're sure as hell not going to make many friends among the groups al Qaeda can count on for potential support. And the drain on operational resources is a given, we just can't sustain large numbers of troops in the field indefinitely without an erosion of critical capacity - something Shelton and Myers have already alluded to, and we haven't even begun the war yet, let alone the occupation.

Explain away all you want, the fact is that comment is double-edged. Adjusting my tinfoil hat, I can even pick up transmissions that whisper that his operatives can read into this release a message of "do not antagonize the Western Press", to wit:

Abu-al-Darda, may God be pleased with him, said: "Perform a good deed before an attack, because you are fighting with your deeds."
Third, we realized from our defence and fighting against the American enemy that, in combat, they mainly depend on psychological warfare.
This is in light of the huge media machine they have.

but, damn, that just would be crazy, wouldn't it?

Al Qaeda has never had real dealings with the infidel press, since they consider them to be utterly ignorant of jihad and the glory of Islam. Al Qaeda's direct press relations have always been with the Islamic press, or general releases of public statements back when abu Ghaith was serving as their mouthpiece.

[DanS]

The extraordinarily fortuitous timing of this tape smells to me. I don't think OBL is alive, and the sudden shift from video to audiotape makes digital forgery technically feasible.

Conspiracy theorist!

Although I have to admit it would be ingenious. Too ingenious for our boys? Funnily enough, the US Government is sort of the go-to people to judge whether it's authentic-OBL fare.

[Alexander's Horse]

The latest message - did he send me a personal cheerio?

[Alexander's Horse]

The Australian translation

[DuncanK]

We'll see if OBL suddenly turns up dead after this war.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by JohnT
But, it is very interesting that both interpretations are valid - it is the Western Left that wants to avoid military conflict, and therefore pursue (for totally different reasons) a policy that is beneficial to OBL.

To the contrary, John. While Saddam is a dictator, he has a strong secular government in place that stymies the activities of al-Qaeda. If the US knocks it over, the situation will be more or less like the one in Afghanistan - bin Laden will have lots of elbow room to set up his networks in a power vacuum.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Ohway onay! Ourway odecay ashay eenbay eachedbray! evacuateway allway asesbay, oseclay allway opsshay inway ethay allmay! oday omethingsay!

http://www.24hourlatin.com/fun/piglatin.htm

PS. Gotcha, John.

Oh, is that what that was? I thought that's some kind of silly Jaakko code.