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He called Saddam an infidel, but he called on the Iraqi people to fight the Americans.
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"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
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The State Dept. has made the idiotic assertion that the tape corraborates the unproven assertion that Saddam and Al Queda are in cahoots. Funny that in the tape, OBL calls Saddam an "infidel" and makes it clear he despises the "socialist" government in Iraq. I guess the State Dept. has selective hearing...Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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The State Department has very selective hearing.
The thing I find funny is that the voice on this tape seems so much different from the last in my recollection.
BTW Boris ... are you ever going to kill that santa hat?Grrr | Pieter Lootsma | Hamilton, NZ | grrr@orcon.net.nz
Waikato University, Hamilton.Comment
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He's refering to Byzantines as Romans.Originally posted by Sava
Ned... Persians? Islam? Romans? Aren't they all like hundreds of years apart?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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ADD ANOTHER WEEK!Originally posted by Grrr
BTW Boris ... are you ever going to kill that santa hat?Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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Boris is secretly very proud of his Santa Hat and is looking for any excuse to continue showing it off.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Amusing. Assuming the tape is authentic, it surprises nobody that bin Laden calls on a resistance to what seems like an inevitable US invasion.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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It probably had some secret messages to terrorist cells.
"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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It probably had some secret messages to terrorist cells.
He did mention Washington.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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aketay the ombbay on the ucktray and ivedray to shingtonway!
"On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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You're a terrorist, Jaakko boy-o
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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I ontday owknay atwhay you are alkingtay boutay!
"On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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You missed an "a" - should be "boutaay"
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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Curses! The code given to me is flawed!"On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
- Lone StarComment
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He is pretty acute in his awareness that the Left in the West will be on his side, or at least, will not favor a war solution. But he has no respect for his allies, as shown in the following words:
"Muslims' doctrine and banner should be clear in fighting for the sake of God. He who fights to raise the word of God will fight for God's sake.
Under these circumstances, there will be no harm if the interests of Muslims converge with the interests of the socialists in the fight against the crusaders, despite our belief in the infidelity of socialists.
The jurisdiction of the socialists and those rulers has fallen a long time ago.
Socialists are infidels wherever they are, whether they are in Baghdad or Aden. "
In bold, he plainly asks for all Moslems to join hold their noses and join leagues with the anti-war "socialists" (i.e., Leftists) against the Crusaders (Rightists). But in the italicized sections, he openly re-affirms the Islamic hatred of Socialism/Communism, declaring the entire political ideology to be infidels, even if that ideology is supporting him in his temporal aims.
He obviously has no problem biting the hand that feeds him. He holds the Left in contempt, finding them weak, but is not above using them to further his own ends. He knows that the Right would likely wage war with fury and might and, oddly enough, OBL respects that - his words re: GWB did not show anywhere near the contempt he feels towards his socialist allies in the Western media.
He states his plans for using the Left against their own ends even more baldly in the passage that immediately follows the above, showing the Islamic world that there is precedent for siding with a lesser evil to defeat a greater one:
"The fighting, which is waging and which will be waged these days, is very much like the fighting of Muslims against the Byzantine in the past.
And the convergence of interests is not detrimental. The Muslims' fighting against the Byzantine converged with the interests of the Persians.
And this was not detrimental to the companions of the prophet. "
Given the long discussion regarding the Afghani holdout, he is especially concerned with high-tech weaponry, showing a near obssession towards the subject. But then, if I was subjected to 15 days of constant bombarment, I'd probably be a little obsessed about it too. I don't necessarily find the section regarding the weaponry to be all that puzzling: he wants to re-assure people that American weaponry isn't invincible and can be faced bravely and successfully.
I also note that there was no mention of anything that happened past October, 2001, though I could've easily missed something. Given the vagueness of his plan of action and the lack of specifics, it would not surprise me to find out that this tape was recorded quite a while ago. No mention of the UN resolution, France/Germany, and the terror attacks in Indonesia? No mention of the Shuttle, or stock market dives, or anything??? Hmmmmm.
So, I do think it was OBL, I just don't think the tape was made anytime recently.Comment
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