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IIRC, France (and other EU countries) argued for eliminating then-current sanctions.
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back on topic - reports today that its confirmed Schroeder was source of leak -everybody seems pissed, German papers calling for Schroeders resignation, Fischer looking embarassed.
Any updates from over there????"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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It is known that Schröder has spoken with reporter of the "Spiegel", but the contents of this conversation aren't exactly known.
It seems the "Spiegel" has interpreted some wrongly.Comment
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Its no Eagle.. its a Vulture :=)Originally posted by Starchild
However, the royal seal of the UK is displayed on the front of the passport (and the seal of the republic is on the French version, the eagle on the German, etc)Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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The military/dual-use sanctions, or the general economic sanctions?Originally posted by Adam Smith
IIRC, France (and other EU countries) argued for eliminating then-current sanctions.
There have been several initiatives to modify the sanction regime for humanitarian and economic interests, in part based on the assessments by the UN that they have a counterproductive effect. I do not see how this equals a pacifist stance. IIRC, one of those intitiatives came from Washington under "smart sanctions", or so.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Just saw in morning TV a common statement of the Social Democrats and the Greens, that there are no discords between both parties. They of course lie, after all they are politicians, but I doubt there's anything serious. Apparently things are as usual greatly exaggerated there over the pond, just like this "hate America" bull.Originally posted by lord of the mark
back on topic - reports today that its confirmed Schroeder was source of leak -everybody seems pissed, German papers calling for Schroeders resignation, Fischer looking embarassed.
Any updates from over there????Comment
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europe is a joke. I don't understand how y'all can support and pass a resolution, and then try and weasel out, in any way possible, of the ramifications of that resolution. Then when the US acts on the UN mandate, popular opinion is against us????? seriously, WTF?"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
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Cowboys...Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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Dont recall which it was.Originally posted by HershOstropoler The military/dual-use sanctions, or the general economic sanctions?
IIRC, France opposed the Smart Sanctions, which the US proposed in response to claims that existing sanctions were counterporductive.[SIZE=1] There have been several initiatives to modify the sanction regime for humanitarian and economic interests, in part based on the assessments by the UN that they have a counterproductive effect. I do not see how this equals a pacifist stance. IIRC, one of those intitiatives came from Washington under "smart sanctions", or so.Old posters never die.
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"France opposed the Smart Sanctions, which the US proposed in response to claims that existing sanctions were counterporductive."
Does that make the French warmongers?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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No, I just said the opposite.
As far as I can tell, the French (and possibly some other EU countries) have at one time or another opposed every effort to bring even diplomatic pressure to bear on Saddam.Old posters never die.
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But the position meant that the initial sanctions stayed.
Diplomatic pressure vs diplomatic reward? I do not think the proposals for the liftig of sanctions were unconditional.
It's a murky issue with several interests influencing it, so I very much doubt you can draw the conslusions from it you did, especially with only a rough idea of what the proposals were.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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OK, lets try the converse.
Can you identify any specific French or EU policy for dealing with Iraq? You can't count the current "double or triple the number of inspectors and give them more time" line because they would not have adopted such a policy had the US not dragged them into it.Old posters never die.
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"Can you identify any specific French or EU policy for dealing with Iraq?"
None that has been really consistent. Neither had the Clinton administration. But I'm still not sure how this constitutes a pacifist stance IYO?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Personally I'd prefered the 'Old China' Solution.
Wait till he dies.Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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