Can we Create an America that can Lead the World

[Velociryx]

If you only agreed to produce 5 widgets for money, and you weren't sure if you'd get paid for producing more than that (cos it was outside the bounds of the agreement, why produce more? Why would you do that?)

-=Vel=-

[MOBIUS]

Well I'm in broad agreement with the likes of Vel and AH, for america to gain respect it has to earn it.

There is no better way than to be first among equals as AH puts it.

For those that think that the US will always be all powerful, a lesson should be learned from the UK and her empire 'on which the sun never set'.

This was an empire comprising some 25% of the world's landmass which was at the zenith of it's power on the 1st of August 1914...

The rest as they say is history...



So, please shape up and consider that the world contains more than 275m people, actually around 6+ billion and that 'first among equals' should be considered in human terms, not national terms...



And DunK, stop about those widgets again already - it always comes down to widgets with you...

[DuncanK]

Because it was the best deal there is. Because the way the system is I can't get a job where I keep everything that I produce.

[Ted Striker]

Too bad we broke the enigma code though first MOBIUS!

[Velociryx]

That doesn't really answer the question tho.

The agreement was that you get paid for making five widgets. Make five widgets, get paid...ALL STOP.

If you choose to go outside the bounds of the contract, and continue making widgets, you run the risk of not getting paid for them. No one is forcing you to make more widgets, and you might not get anything for making them....so why continue? Take a long lunch and forget the widgets!

-=Vel=-

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


And DunK, stop about those widgets again already - it always comes down to widgets with you...

Sorry MOBIUS, I will try to call them "thingies"

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Oh be quiet MOBIUS.

Not if that's the best you can manage...

[DuncanK]

Sometimes it's best to say little if you want someone to shut up

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Too bad we broke the enigma code though first MOBIUS!

Oh yes that's better!

But you didn't edit your original lame ass reply quickly enough

[Ted Striker]

Dammit I tried to edit it but you got to it first.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Azazel
Willem, I have no doubt in the fact that everyone can start a bussiness.

My problem is that there is a presumption that greed and the fear of being hungry are the only two ways to make a person productive and innovative.

I don't follow you. I don't think anyone has implied those are the only two reasons.

[Ted Striker]

Sorry man I have been slipping lately.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Dammit I tried to edit it but you got to it first.

SUCKA!!!

[Ted Striker]

[Willem]

Originally posted by DuncanK
Willem,

That's not true. The fact is that banks do say no sometimes. And those are the people who are expecting them to say yes. There are multitudes of people who know they can't get a loan so they don't even ask for one.

No, those are the ones that give up trying. The ones that go back to their idea, polish it up and clarify their goals some more, will go back to the bank and try again. And eventually they will succeed. The loans manager will see that they mean business and that they've thought things through very carefully, and will trust them to do the right thing with the money. It's all just a matter of trust as I said.