USA vs the World

[Demerzel]

why do you need carriers to launch and land fighters if the attack is within range of the home base? If you didnt come towards Europe/Asia then the fighters could be rebased in S.America where they could attack the US with ease.

Darn silly argument anyway, I just refuse to believe that the USN is all powerful and could hold off the rest of the world. Yes it is powerful and yes it would take a lot of effort to defeat it but the rest of the world I suspect would be able to do it.

Economically if the US was cut off from the rest of the world, its economy would crash in about 20s no doubt about it. The rest of the world would probably get seriously screwed up BUT it would be able to trade amongst themselves and eventually balance the load. Certain markets would start to thrive under the new demands with the US out of the way. Similiar to the way that the US took over certain important markets when europe was busy fighting each other in WWI.

Long term, US dies but rest of world carries on quite happily.

[David Floyd]

why do you need carriers to launch and land fighters if the attack is within range of the home base? If you didnt come towards Europe/Asia then the fighters could be rebased in S.America where they could attack the US with ease.

You don't think that the US would take out major airbases in South America first? I think some B-1s, B-2s and B-52s launching cruise missiles would put a crimp in those plans.

I just refuse to believe that the USN is all powerful and could hold off the rest of the world. Yes it is powerful and yes it would take a lot of effort to defeat it but the rest of the world I suspect would be able to do it.

Based upon what evidence/thesis?

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by David Floyd

You don't think that the US would take out major airbases in South America first? I think some B-1s, B-2s and B-52s launching cruise missiles would put a crimp in those plans.

Based upon what evidence/thesis?

Depends who starts the war doesn't it? If rest of world did, don't you think they'd put defences up? Stealth fighters/bombers can be tracked/shot down. Remember we're not all Iraq/Serbia where stealth is pretty much a magic weapon.

I'm sorry I'm not the kind of guy who reads military magazines, so it's all based on what I see and compile from a multitude of sources.

[David Floyd]

If rest of world did, don't you think they'd put defences up? Stealth fighters/bombers can be tracked/shot down.

That's nice. You might have a more difficult time with cruise missiles launched from those bombers, and from submarines and surface warships.

[DuncanK]

Since the US has a much stronger military as of right now, and the economy would crash, you have to give it to the US. We would make it difficult for the rest of the world to get things going. The world surely would not be able to attack the US with any success, but the US would be able to attack the world.

Eventually the production of the world would give it the advantage, but that could be a long time. The war would never go that long, because on one side or the other the people would demand peace.

[David Floyd]

Eventually the production of the world would give it the advantage, but that could be a long time.

And, more to the point, I don't see how you could get aircraft to the Western Hemisphere in sufficient numbers, by whatever means, to establish even air parity.

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by David Floyd


That's nice. You might have a more difficult time with cruise missiles launched from those bombers, and from submarines and surface warships.

and the rest of the world doesnt have cruise missiles?

I think the rest of the world could probably put a fair few aircraft together.

[David Floyd]

and the rest of the world doesnt have cruise missiles?

Sure, but you don't really have the means of delivery to the Continental US except in very limited and vulnerable numbers.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So, have we all decided who's Cheney is bigger?

[DuncanK]

USA is the only one with a Cheney

[Demerzel]

I reckon the Martians win by a technical knock out when they deliver a cheating sneaky blow from orbit whilst everyone else is posturing and grunting at each other.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Sava
What you guys aren't thinking about is the internal dissent that the US would face. There would be a revolution if the US ever tried to invade another democratic country like Canada.

hmm, i thought the world in this scenario would have declared war on the US first? If this is the case, there would be no revolt. The US would have the Patriotic WWII/post9/11 mentality, there would be no revolutions.

Can you kill everyone?

Yes, yes we can

[David Floyd]

I think everyone will admit, though, that if the US deploys an effective ABM system, no one - not even Saint Marcus - will be able to question the ability of the US to take on the rest of the world and win.

[DuncanK]

An effective ABM system is not even possible theoretically

[Du_Chateau]

If I was to say who would win against a US vs. World war it would be the world. The problem is that if the US went to war with the world there would be a worldwide embargo on the US. Meaning all the world needs to do is hold on to Alaska and Texas and the US would be in a crushing defeat. Aircraft is nice to look at but will not fly without a key component, OIL!