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  • #76
    Oh so China instituted broad range democratic reforms in the last twenty years, and I wasn't aware of it?
    I don't consider China socialist. My vision of socialism is the worker (not state or capitalist) ownership of the means of production.

    So you think that all those Third World countries will stay poor and impoverished forever? You've already mentioned India and China, do you seriously think they'll be the only countries to modernize their economy forever and forever?
    When did I say that? IP is only useful when a state is developed enough. We're trying to push IP on states that aren't developed enough. I consider that protectionism.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
    -Bokonon

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
      che,

      I take this you meant either the Congress or the Senate? Wouldn't this need a constitution amendment?
      I was refering to state legislatures. Yes, changing the House or the Senate would require an amendment.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by DuncanK
        I don't think the US could ever lead the world into a future as Vel describes. No nation can. Its got to be an individual, a hero of mankind. It has to be a citizen of the world. I don't know who, but they will emerge.
        After thousands of years and countless failures, you still believe in this Messiah thing?

        I would never put my entire trust into a single person, except me of course.

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        • #79
          Here in Canada we're about to try a system that ties the financing of political parties to the number of votes, and limiting the amount that can be donated by corporations and wealthy individuals. The figure floating around right now is $1.50 per vote, which will be paid for out of federal revenues. A number of European nations have been doing this for years. I don't know how well it works, but I think it will go a long way towards ridding our system of corporate influence.
          We have the same here. still, the economical elites do have the politicians. Not as much as in the US, but capital and political power still march hand by hand.

          There aren't any corporations in a socialist society. At least no non-worker owned corporations anyhow
          hehe. that IS cute. how do you place a socialist society there in the first place?



          I don't consider China socialist. My vision of socialism is the worker (not state or capitalist) ownership of the means of production.
          China isn't socialist. IIRC, Mao himself didn't read socialist books, at all. IIRC, his favourite book was some sort of Chinese version to "The Prince", talking about how to use the peasantry to harness power, how to keep the country obeying to you, and waste political opponents.

          My knowledge is as dense as vapor on this one, though. .
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #80
            hehe. that IS cute. how do you place a socialist society there in the first place?
            Individual and collective action so workers can buy up the country's businesses.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Willem
              Oh so China instituted broad range democratic reforms in the last twenty years, and I wasn't aware of it?
              China's not socialist anymore.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Ramo
                Individual and collective action so workers can buy up the country's businesses.
                Prodhon tried that in France. It was outlawed after it became too successful.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #83
                  That's where the libertarianism comes in.
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                  -Bokonon

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                  • #84
                    Prodhon tried that in France. It was outlawed after it became too successful.
                    really? never heard of that.

                    This gives lots of hope, you know.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #85
                      ( but then again, I remind myself of the sad experience people had here with industries that belong to the trade union. the unions stole their pensions. )
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Ramo


                        I don't consider China socialist. My vision of socialism is the worker (not state or capitalist) ownership of the means of production.
                        They're a Marxist society, how else do you define socialism?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                          China's not socialist anymore.
                          According to their constitution they still are.

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                          • #88
                            yes, and North Korea, is a democratic people's republic.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Willem


                              Here in Canada we're about to try a system that ties the financing of political parties to the number of votes, and limiting the amount that can be donated by corporations and wealthy individuals. The figure floating around right now is $1.50 per vote, which will be paid for out of federal revenues. A number of European nations have been doing this for years. I don't know how well it works, but I think it will go a long way towards ridding our system of corporate influence.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • #90
                                I said it before and I'll say it again: the day Chrétien announced his retirement, he became 10X the PM he was from 1993-2002.
                                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                                Killing it is the new killing it
                                Ultima Ratio Regum

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