So what if we DO want war with Iraq?

[orange]

NeOmega - I highly doubt it. And I've been to rallies. People may not like the war, but not many Americans who don't support war are willing to rally or riot because of it. Sad truth. Because if they did, half the nation would be on the streets protesting - Bush couldn't ignore that.

During Hardball at my University, when Matthews asked who supported and who didn't, it was something like 4 times as many were against war...probably 80% to 20%...but not that many people attended our protest in Newark last week, and not that many will in the coming weeks when we do it again.

So, as much as I'd like to see that come true, let's be realistic.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by orange
NeOmega - I highly doubt it. And I've been to rallies. People may not like the war, but not many Americans who don't support war are willing to rally or riot because of it. Sad truth. Because if they did, half the nation would be on the streets protesting - Bush couldn't ignore that.

During Hardball at my University, when Matthews asked who supported and who didn't, it was something like 4 times as many were against war...probably 80% to 20%...but not that many people attended our protest in Newark last week, and not that many will in the coming weeks when we do it again.

So, as much as I'd like to see that come true, let's be realistic.

I don't wish for violent protests. There are cities that are much more on edge than others.... I named Cincinnati, Seattle and Los Angeles for a reason. Mostly they have had recent riots, and most riotors got away clean. I have talked to a few of the WTO riotors, they loved the excitement, and the anarchy, and they didn't learn their lesson the first time. They talk of it as a great adventure and about how oppresive and wrong the police were.

I have not actively searched for peace protests yet, but believe me, when war actually begins... I will be there.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by NeOmega
I have not actively searched for peace protests yet, but believe me, when war actually begins... I will be there.

That's when it's too late. If this is anything like Gulf War I, there will be massive protests for the first week, and then the movement will collapse under the weight of its own depression. Many of the wealky anti-war will become supporters because they believe that opposing the war means opposing the soldiers.

The time to act is now. I don't think we can stop the war from happening, but I'm certainly willing to be proven wrong.

[David Floyd]

Many of the wealky anti-war will become supporters because they believe that opposing the war means opposing the soldiers.

So? Why should I support people who volunteer to join a military that they know has a history of aggression?

[Shi Huangdi]

I think Poly's leftist community has finally gone off the deep end. Oh well, at least they are good for their entermainment value now.

[orange]

Originally posted by David Floyd
So? Why should I support people who volunteer to join a military that they know has a history of aggression?

um, weren't you about to volunteer last year?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
So? Why should I support people who volunteer to join a military that they know has a history of aggression?

I'm not saying you have to do so, I'm saying that most of the anti-war movement will quail and quietly vanish, just as happened last time. Unless, somehow, the war proves to be longer than we expect, the majority will support the war once it starts. If it takes more than a few months, however, people will begin to question their support of it. Basically, middle Americans are pretty fickle.

Amerians have also had it beaten into their heads for the last twenty years that Vietnam Vets weren't given any support either during the war or after, and that reulted in American defeat, large numbers of American dead, and high suicide rates among vets, all of which, is simply a right-wing myth.

[Drake Tungsten]

I think Poly's leftist community has finally gone off the deep end. Oh well, at least they are good for their entermainment value now.

They're laying the melodrama on pretty thick, aren't they?

[General Ludd]

I think Poly's leftist community has finally gone off the deep end. Oh well, at least they are good for their entermainment value now.

They're laying the melodrama on pretty thick, aren't they?

Atleast they're actually making arguments and not just using smilies and throwing fezisms around.

[NeOmega]

Well I havent caught wind of Seattle protests until I see it on the nightly news.... I've left the preoccupation with politics for a while to focus on my mod..... it is much better for my heart and soul... the weight of the world can get very heavy sometimes....

Hows that for melodrama!

But true it is. A concious decision it was. However I have wandered back in because it is driving me insane with anger again.

[Asher]

Orange:

They are the only expansionist power in the region.

In all fairness, Canada has itself expanded in the past fifty years as well.

[orange]

dividing up old territories to make new ones is hardly 'expansionist'

[Asher]

That's not what I'm talking about.

[Asher]

Newfoundland joined Canada in 1949.

[Dinner]

That was 54 year ago. Your post said in the last 50 years.