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The DoJ arrested hundreds of immigrants and never even released their names. Not to justify that in any way, but if Patriot 2 passes there will be hundreds of US citizens treated this way as well. SCOTUS will do nothing.
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"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui -
We might have an answer on what SCOTUS thinks of some aspects of these laws this year. There are few cases that have a good chance of getting to SCOTUS that are related to immigrant rights."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I'm not finding a lot of information, but it seems that the ACLU is winning some cases in the lower courts, and the DoJ is also winning some."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Thanx Ramo. I just downloaded a report buy the ACLU about that.
Dang, I knew mrmitchell sounded familiar. He gets his name from A. Mitchell Palmer, the Atorney General responsible for the Plamer Raids of 1919."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Good news on CBS.....I've written to CNN, NBC, and ABC, passed the link to PBS.org along, called the local paper here, and the local tv stations. Got assurances (almost gleeful assurances, actually) that there most definitely would be coverage on the issue.
Word's getting out, and at least in this little corner of the world, I'd like to think maybe I helped it along a tad.
I don't know who the hell leaked the document, but I regard that person as a hero. He, no doubt, risked his a$$ (at the very least professionally, and perhaps even personally/physically) to get it to the media. If we ever learn his name, it should be remembered.
Let's show 'em what Patriots really are....
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There are two US citizens who are being held as "enemy combatants." They are being held indefinitely and without due process. I didn't know they could do that yet."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Is being anti-American grounds for Impeachment? God I hope so....
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It's illegal by the Patriot Act. Of course, it would be unconstitutional even if it were not illegal.There are two US citizens who are being held as "enemy combatants." They are being held indefinitely and without due process. I didn't know they could do that yet."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Having thought it over for a bit, I have changed my mind. I now believe that the "Patriot" act's strengthening does not go far enough. They left some important stuff out, and I think these things should be strongly considered as additions to the legislation:
* Cash rewards should be offered to good, patriotic citizens who "turn in" their neighbors suspected of terrorist activities. This would reward our loyal patriots, while getting rid of the scumbag usurpers and dissenters, and we can be sure that no one would ever in any way seek to abuse the system.
* Tracking. Not nearly enough emphasis has been placed on tracking the movement of these dangerous elements in our society. Therefore, military checkpoints should be set up along all major interstates, at intervals of no less than one every thirty miles, and each city should have at least one "Patriot Brigade" for every 20,000 citizens. These patriots would have the authority to break down the doors of suspected dissenters, free-thinkers, and other folks that posed a threat to our "national security" and drag them away to be locked up indefinitely, no warrant needed, and certainly no involvement from that nettlesome Judiciary.
* Tracking part two - To further help the loyal patriots of the nation track down the rabble rousers, Homeland Defense Tattoo Parlors should be established in every city with a population greater than 50,000. The tattoos would be barcode-like in their structure, and this would enable automated checkpoints to be established that would "scan" the comings and goings of each person. Very handy.
* A Patriot Youth Brigade should be established to teach America's Youth how to be good littleNaz....erm....Patriots, what signs to look for when attempting to spot would-be trouble makers, and detailed instructions on how to handle any hint of dissent.
I think you will find these proposed additions quite rational, and we DO hope you enjoy your stay in the land of the "free."
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And remember....if we don't do this, the terrorists win!Comment
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The draft is near (The Pat II is near)
Run for the border
Always live in fear
Only to keep order
-LoA"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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"We're a civilized people you know." --some German Jew in 1934.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
"They will never be able to go that far." -- some German in 1933."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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Well i was, for a second going to add my two pence; of how as a non-american(from uk) your countries recent foreign policy has resulted in myself and friends/family etc looking real carefuly at the labels on things we buy and not buying american goods. Of how it now looks like this sort of policy(or the thinking behind it) has trickled into your domestic policy. And generaly making some statement about 'the end is nigh' etc.
And then i stoped and thought that maybe just blameing it all on 'america' was just not cricket(to use an english saying
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I can't think of any government that has actualy acheived what they are really, in theory, set-up to do - govern for the good of the people. Show me one that wasn't corrupt, didn't mislead or lie and wasn't full of 'public servants' who weren't, as a sum of the whole, out for their own interests.
So i don't blame you 'america' for the worlds ill's......but i'm still not going to buy anything from you until your elected government stops behaving so badly.
My current thought is that as individual's in society we can only try to fiddle our tax as best we can, learn to do everything for ourselves like make food/build houses and live a bit like Grizzly Adams or Jerimah Johnson, thus starving the wicked people in the world of jobs involved in ruleing over us all. History has shown that humans are too selfish to do the job properly.
Right then - i'm off to find a good site for a log-cabin and a vegetable garden
Oh yes and for those who can't/won't do this then i fear for you and wish you and your children well
'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.Comment
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I don't know what that has to do with this topic, but your agrarian society propaganda is noted."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Well i think i might have being trying to say to the worried parties that it'll be alright or if not then run for the hills. A patern that has worked throughout history i think, well we are all still here anywayOriginally posted by DuncanK
I don't know what that has to do with this topic, but your agrarian society propaganda is noted.
'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.Comment
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