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  • USA Patriot Act: The Sequel

    From the Center for Public Integrity (slow link at the moment):
    Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti-Terrorism Act

    (WASHINGTON, Feb. 7, 2003) -- The Bush Administration is preparing a bold, comprehensive sequel to the USA Patriot Act passed in the wake of September 11, 2001, which will give the government broad, sweeping new powers to increase domestic intelligence-gathering, surveillance and law enforcement prerogatives, and simultaneously decrease judicial review and public access to information.

    ...

    The bill, drafted by the staff of Attorney General John Ashcroft and entitled the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003, has not been officially released by the Department of Justice, although rumors of its development have circulated around the Capitol for the last few months under the name of “the Patriot Act II” in legislative parlance.

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    [my favorite part]
    Section 501, “Expatriation of Terrorists”: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United Stated has designated as a ‘terrorist organization’.” But whereas a citizen formerly had to state his intent to relinquish his citizenship, the new law affirms that his intent can be “inferred from conduct.” Thus, engaging in the lawful activities of a group designated as a “terrorist organization” by the Attorney General could be presumptive grounds for expatriation. [my emphasis]

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    [Dr. David Cole, Georgetown University Law professor and author of Terrorism and the Constitution] found it disturbing that there have been no consultations with Congress on the draft legislation. “It raises a lot of serious concerns and is troubling as a generic matter that they have gotten this far along and tell people that there is nothing in the works. What that suggests is that they’re waiting for a propitious time to introduce it, which might well be when a war is begun. At that time there would be less opportunity for discussion and they’ll have a much stronger hand in saying that they need these right away.”
    A watershed event, I believe: do we continue along this path to its conclusion, or do we turn back?
    "When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett

  • #2
    It will be interesting to see what happens if and when this comes up for debate in Congress. Opposition to the original PATRIOT Act (my blood still boils at the vile name of that piece of trash) is growing on both sides of the aisle. The question will be if the same cynical use of patriotism and fear of terrorism that allowed the first bill to pass can be strong enough 18 months later to pass this second piece of garbage.
    "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
    "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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    • #3
      Damn Damn Damn!
      "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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      • #4
        We have nothing to fear. Bush would never do this.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          So any ideas on what country you would like to be exiled to, Che? Cuba has the nice weather thing going...
          "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

          "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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          • #6
            Cuba is waaaaayyyyy to close to the US for my liking. I'd be sipping mojitos and the next thin I know is that some U.S. marine would be standing over me, with his bayonette in my gut.

            I think I'd probably head to a more civilized part of the planet, like Europe.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              So, now do you believe us. The Reichstag is burning baby.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                Can I see the actual text language of the draft that would allow citizens to be arbitrarily sent into exile?
                "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                • #9
                  Follow the link.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    What happened? Did we get framed again?
                    "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
                    "All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
                    "Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui

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                    • #11
                      That's a huge file and it being Friday Night I have to get ready soon to go out. Could someone else give the text of the draft. I really doubt they would actually do this... Even if the administration really was trying to get this passed, Congress would never pass this, and even if they did, such a thing would be blatantly unconstitutional.
                      "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                      "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                      • #12
                        The constitution wont mean **** to them if they can justify it by national security.
                        "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
                        "All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
                        "Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui

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                        • #13
                          "They will never be able to go that far." -- some German in 1933.
                          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                          • #14
                            Don't worry. Our Government is Trustworthy and would never use its Powers against us. This new bill is great!
                            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                            • #15
                              Germany didn't have the same constitutional protections we do. I really can't imagine SCOTUS ever allowing this.
                              "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                              "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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