Texas Snubs World Court on Execution Stays

[Master Zen]

If the US does not abide by foreign treates it has signed, why the hell should the world abide by its own treaties?

Personally, I would love to use this excuse to throw NAFTA, the NPT , GATT, etc. out the window

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Master Zen
why the hell should the world abide by its own treaties?

We're only executing the murderers you ship over here as revenge for stealing our water.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

We're only executing the murderers you ship over here as revenge for stealing our water.

Actually we're just relocating the murderers, and getting water from the territory you stole first.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You mean the land which you stole from the natives?

Anyways it's in treaty... so its legally ours now .

[SlowwHand]

Mexico continues to steal water.
Canada too, probably, but I have no proof.
Not that I particularly need proof.

[Master Zen]

Oh, and the US didn't steal land from the natives either?

Treaties signed at gunpoint are far from being just or morally valid.

[SlowwHand]

Where did Canadians get their land ?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Doesn't this occur anytime the Federal government signs a treaty with another country?

Is there a treaty signed by the US government which explicitly requires that the government of Mexico be informed when their citizens are arrested or under trial? Which treaty specifies this?

Consular protection treaties.

Requires a miranda-type warning that you have the right to contact a representative of your government and has the same restrictions as contacting a lawyer (any questioning needs to be stopped, yada yada yada).

Feel secure in the knowledge that if you're ever charged in a foreign country you have that right. I'm sorry to say that apparently the same does not apply in the US.

[SlowwHand]

That is total b.s.

[DinoDoc]

On Tuesday, Texas executed John "Jackie" Elliott, a dual British-American citizen whose cause was taken up by British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, members of parliament and high-ranking British clerics.

Why would consular protections apply in this instance? Or was this an unrelated incident thrown into the article?

[SpencerH]

Its hard to find actual facts to back anything up with but I found one short link saying that the US has admitted to violating the Vienna convention in this matter. It seems to me that a federal treaty would have precedence over states rights.

Of the three convicted men, Fierro's case is the best known. He was 22 when he was convicted of the Feb. 27, 1979, shooting death of an El Paso taxi driver, Nicolas Castanon. Despite a ruling in a Texas appeals court that his confession was probably coerced, he was not granted a retrial. Fierro has been on death row in Texas longer than any other inmate.

Ramos, 48, was sentenced to death in February 1992 for killing his wife Leticia and his two youngest children, Abigail, 8, and Jonathan, 3, with a hammer.

Aguilera was convicted for the July 12, 1993, slayings of Francisco Morales and Maria Yanez during a burglary in Oklahoma City.

Real winners. Hopefully texas and oklahoma will act before the feds (which is what often happens in these cases).

[SlowwHand]

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
That is total b.s.

What, the treaty or the fact that the US violates it fairly regularly?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

On Tuesday, Texas executed John "Jackie" Elliott, a dual British-American citizen whose cause was taken up by British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, members of parliament and high-ranking British clerics.

Why would consular protections apply in this instance? Or was this an unrelated incident thrown into the article?

I'm not aware of the details of that case, but I would assume that he was not given the option to contact a representative of the UK, which he has a right to because he holds British citizenship.

[SlowwHand]

"Feel secure in the knowledge that if you're ever charged in a foreign country you have that right. "

This.