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    HOUSTON (Reuters) - An unrepentant Texas said on Thursday it would ignore a World Court order demanding it stay the executions of two Mexicans, a decision likely to create more friction between the United States and its allies over capital punishment.

    The International Court of Justice at The Hague (news - web sites) on Wednesday ordered the U.S. to stay the executions of three Mexicans and reserved the right to intervene in dozens of other cases.

    Mexico brought the World Court case last month, arguing that 54 of its citizens on death row should get retrials. It accused U.S. police of violating an international treaty by failing to tell the men of their right to consular assistance after being arrested.

    The World Court said it acted in three cases where the men were at risk of execution before the lengthy case is finished.

    Two of those affected -- Cesar Robert Fierro Reyna and Roberto Moreno Ramos -- are in Texas and the third, Osvaldo Torres Aguilera, is in Oklahoma. None of the three has an execution date yet.

    The State Department is reviewing the order and has not said whether Washington will order Texas and Oklahoma to stay the executions. The U.S. argued the order would interfere with its sovereign right to administer its criminal justice system.

    "According to our reading of the law and the treaty, there is no authority for the federal government or this World Court to prohibit Texas from exercising the laws passed by our legislature," said Gene Acuna, a spokesman for Texas Gov. Rick Perry. The state is by far the nation's death penalty leader.

    ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS

    Perry believes that state and federal courts provide adequate safeguards and are the appropriate forums in which to hear "issues such as consular notification on a case-by-case basis," Acuna said. Orders from those courts are the only ones Texas will follow, he said.

    Jennifer Miller, the chief of criminal appeals for the Oklahoma Attorney General's Office, said the state was reviewing the World Court order.

    Torres has several avenues of appeal open to him, including the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) and the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites), she said.

    "He is not in the process at this time where we will be seeking an execution date," Miller said. "He still has the opportunity to ask for a rehearing in that case."

    Texas will wait until all of the appeals in the Fierro and Ramos cases are complete. But an inmate is often given a date and is even brought into the death house while last-minute appeals work their way through the courts.

    A U.S. refusal to heed the World Court could worsen already-tense relations with Mexico on the issue.

    Mexican President Vicente Fox (news - web sites) angrily canceled a planned meeting with President Bush (news - web sites) in Texas last year after the state ignored Mexican pleas for clemency for Javier Medina.

    Texas, the only U.S. state to have once been an independent country, has long resisted external interference in its affairs and has a history of ignoring pleas for clemency.

    On Tuesday, Texas executed John "Jackie" Elliott, a dual British-American citizen whose cause was taken up by British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, members of parliament and high-ranking British clerics.

    He was the 296th inmate executed in Texas since 1982, four years after national death penalty ban was lifted by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The United States is the only Western democracy to carry out the death penalty. (Additional reporting by Ben Fenwick in Oklahoma City)

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    Interesting.

    I really don't think that the federal government, much less the World Court, can interfere with the Texas justice system and jury decisions, provided no Constitutional rights are violated.

    Anyone heard anything else about this?
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    Depends upon what the treaty says.

    The Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution states, "...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. "

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    • #3
      I am not in the least bit surprised by this reaction. That doesn't mean I approve or disaprove of it, but I just couldn't imagine Texas acceding to a World Court demand concerning people who have committed murder in the boundaries of Texas.
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      • #4
        True, Texas was required to inform the inmates of their rights. But if they didn't, and violated a treaty, I'm not sure the Supremacy Clause would require the US to extend Constitutional protections to non-citizens.

        But I could easily be wrong - I don't know a lot about international law and all that.

        If this blows up though, it could be interesting
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        • #5
          lol, yeah right

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          • #6
            Some one should send a short letter to the ICJ explaining the word "juridiction". Is the U.S. even a signatory to the ICJ?
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            • #7
              Has Texas EVER informed any country about one of their citizens being on trial for murder and facing the death penalty?

              I have now heard of that International Law being violated by Texas for Mexican prisoners, a British prisoner and a Canadian prisoner (one who was even convicted by a PRIVATELY funded trial - ridiculous!)

              Maybe we should change our laws allowing us to give the death penalty for Texans who commit murder in our country even though we don't have the death penalty for everyone else...

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              • #8
                A bit of this has come into the local news, but not much. It doesnt seem to be that big of a deal, at least to the media.

                Anybody know what these fellas are accused of doing exactly, and how reliable the evidence is/fair the court was? Its not so much a problem now, but even just 15 years ago, racism allowed men later to be found innocenct to be put on death row.

                Looking even just skin deep into those cases anyone could realize they were not guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt (as the system requires for one to be not only found guilty, but also sentenced to death), if they werent even blatantly innocent.

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                • #9
                  The Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution states, "...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. "


                  But even the federal government cannot make any law it wants, and have the states follow it .

                  Furthermore, it may be bound by the treaty to create the World Court, but nothing says it has to follow the decision by it.
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                  • #10
                    I don't know about these Mexicans, but Texas should execute more of it's citizens
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      I don't know about these Mexicans, but Texas should execute more of it's citizens
                      *shruggs* we already execute more than any other state per year, by far...
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                      • #12
                        Re: Texas Snubs World Court on Execution Stays

                        Originally posted by David Floyd
                        Interesting.

                        I really don't think that the federal government, much less the World Court, can interfere with the Texas justice system and jury decisions, provided no Constitutional rights are violated.

                        Anyone heard anything else about this?
                        Treaty law supersedes local law, no?
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                        • #13
                          Unfortunately this is true, but Imran raised a good point that a treaty to create a World Court doesn't necessarily mean a treaty to abide by its decisions.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            Some one should send a short letter to the ICJ explaining the word "juridiction". Is the U.S. even a signatory to the ICJ?
                            They're signatories to bilateral consular protection treaties.

                            But God forbid you accord foreign citizens the same rights we accord your citizens when they break the law in our country.
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                            • #15
                              Wow, this is news!

                              I would have thought Texas would give a damn what the world courts thought. They've always seemed like such international-minded citizens of the world.
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