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  • #46
    Anyone here you sniff at the threat is a fool. "yeah, 37K US troops can easily defeat 1,000,000 NK soldiers, yeah, cakewalk..." Bullsh1t of the first degree. Still, any initial NK offensive would be stopped, mainly by the 600,000 SK troops along the front in conjunction with US airpower. Still, Korea is the last place the US wants to fight, those damn mountains make our airpower less usefull, and the NK have a way of digging tunnels (US intellienge suspects the NK has several tunnels big enough to fit thousands of troops and equipment, that go under the DMZ and almost all the way to seoul. ) Any war in Korea would make Iraq look like a pitiful sideshow, both in terms of American loss of life, total loss of life, economic losses, economic disruption, so forth and so on. We should pray that it does not happen.

    As for diplomacy: no one would back NK: China has much to lose form any war nearbye, specially in spooking foreign investment. The Russians care much more about SKorean trade than NKorea. NK would be alone, and the war would still be short, but extremely ugly.
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    • #47
      I think that "all the way to seoul" is a tad too much.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #48
        Azazel:

        Sadly, it isn't too much. The SK have already found several of thse huge tunnels, but their intelligence tells them there are several more, and that the biggest ones have yet to be found.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          In five years the national missile defense network will be up and running and then NK's small nuke stockpile will be effectively neutralized.
          Someone's been believing American propoganda again. How can a system that can only shoot down missiles in heavily faked tests be any threat to NK missiles? He'd have to fire a hundred ABMs to shoot down one enemy ICBM.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by chegitz guevara


            Someone's been believing American propoganda again. How can a system that can only shoot down missiles in heavily faked tests be any threat to NK missiles? He'd have to fire a hundred ABMs to shoot down one enemy ICBM.
            It wouldn't be very good propaganda if nobody believed it
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            • #51
              BTW It has been U.S. policy since WW2 to have sufficient active duty military forces to fight two wars similtaniously.
              You're talking about the 2.5 war standard, but even at the height of the Cold War it was unrealistic and unworkable, to say nothing of today.
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              • #52
                This is what happens when you start a pissing contest with a psychopath like Kim. If it happens, I blame Bush (duh obviously...).

                Chegitz... I'm surprised at the number of people that think the US has this capability already. Let alone 5 years.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #53
                  The fact that Chegitz couldn't say similar, yet opposite, things in Iraq, N. Korea, Cuba, etc. and expect to fare well, is not merely propaganda.
                  It's statement of fact.
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                  • #54
                    See what happens when you're a war-monger in one part of the world? It leave you vulnerable to war-mongers in other parts of the globe.

                    N.Korea sees itself as standing alone against the face of "American fascist imperialism." They seem to honestly believe they can take us on and win (see what a cult mentality does to you). It is possible that they see themselves as defending Iraq from U.S. imperialism.

                    I can't say I agree with the threat against innocents South Koreans to defend innocent Iraqis, but if it gives the US pause, maybe it's not so bad.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by SlowwHand
                      The fact that Chegitz couldn't say similar, yet opposite, things in Iraq, N. Korea, Cuba, etc. and expect to fare well, is not merely propaganda.
                      It's statement of fact.
                      It's true. It's much better to be lied to by a government that won't necessarily kill or persecute you for telling the truth to their lies. Still, I'd prefer that my government didn't lie at all. Secrecy and lies are the enemies of democracy. Pity there are so many enemies of democracy among us.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #56
                        That's all American "Communists" are, cult mentalities.
                        There are communist countries.
                        Obviously they must be lacking in something, or American "Communists" would be there.
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                        • #57
                          American Communists aren't there because:

                          1. Those countries aren't real commies anyways!
                          2. This is a democracy it can be a Socialist democracy if the people vote it to be.

                          I'm sure there's a 3 and a 4, but I'm a lazy ass
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #58
                            The tunnel thing is myth. You can't fart underground without modern siesmic detectors picking it up, and the border is lined with them.
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                            • #59
                              What if they are dug by hand?
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #60
                                And what if the tunneled during major SK/US military exercises or troops redeployments near the border?
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